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cristian_vogel
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posted 16 June 2006 04:24         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as mentioned in the confab thread, I am very interested in the interpolate presets sound.

I want to able to adjust presets, and then interpolate to the next one, adjust more parameters, and then interpolate to the next one.

But the IP module, seems to override all other preset parameters in a sound - is there a way that I could get interpolate between parameters sets in this way?

I thought about just smoothing everysingle parameter and using some kind of global smoothing time fader?

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photonal
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posted 16 June 2006 05:46         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I started creating a TimeLine yesterday with one of the sounds containing the Interpolate Presets module, unfortunately it doesn't seem possible to use a Interpolate Presets module in a TimeLine since Kyma descended into an unbreakable cycle. I had to ForceQuit Kyma. Once I removed the Interpolate Presets module the TimeLine would then play.

or is it indeed possible? Is it also possible to have separate VCSs for tracks in the TimeLine - whereby the corresponding VCS becomes active when its track is selected?

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SSC
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posted 16 June 2006 08:34         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you still have a copy of that Timeline around so you could attach it to an email and send it to us? Thanks!

Sorry, the VCS does not currently change its layout based on time or track selected. The only way to change the layout is through the menu at the upper right of the VCS.

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SSC
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posted 16 June 2006 08:40         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, in one of the recent updates, we added the option to do interpolation on the parameters of an entire Timeline:

You can now specify master parameter control functions to interpolate the presets of the top level VCS layer of the timeline. Use the Automation drop-down menu at the upper left in the Timeline window.

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photonal
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posted 16 June 2006 13:33         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll take a look at that option, menawhile the timeline is currently on it's way in a fiber optic submarine communication cable under the atlantic

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SSC
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posted 16 June 2006 15:18         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I *thought* it was a bit salty when it arrived;-)

First the workaround:
* Uncheck ShowPresetValues in the InterpolatePresets
* Select & play 907A Disk Filter on its own to re-establish the presets
* Then close and play in the Timeline

For some reason, the Timeline does not like it when you leave ShowPresetValues checked. We're investigating why that might be. But in the meantime, you can get your Timeline to work by unchecking the ShowPresetValues. (that KOVACrossFilter is lovely btw!)


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SSC
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posted 16 June 2006 19:47         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I thought about just smoothing everysingle parameter and using some kind of global smoothing time fader?

Cristian, Yes you could smooth each parameter. I think you would also want to combine this with a sampleAndHold expression--since you say you would like to adjust parameters to their new values first and THEN interpolate from the old values to these new values.
Something like the following for each parameter:

(!TriggerTheTransition sampleAndHold: !BW) smooth: !TransitionTime s

That way you could move !BW and other parameters to their new values without hearing them change. Then hit !TriggerTheTransition and they would all slowly move to their new values in !TransitionTime seconds.

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photonal
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posted 17 June 2006 04:50         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's good to know regarding the TimeLine and the Interpolation.

It would be great too if there was a way to override the InterpolationPresets module Master fader and allow control of individual parameters whilst perhaps holding down for example 'Ctrl'.

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Phi Curtis
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posted 17 June 2006 12:34         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Cristian,

The way I understand what you want to do is that you want to be able to be able to change to a preset smoothly (interpolated) from whatever the current values are. So you could choose a preset, play with the values and then interpolate from the changed values to another preset.

That would be great, but I'm not sure how it could be done. However, you could do this:

(!ActiveFaderChoice of: #( {!FaderA} {!FaderB} {!FaderC})) smooth: !Smooth s

[!ActiveFaderChoice should be set up in the VCS to go from 0 to 2, in increments of 1]

Here, whatever parameter field you put this in will have 3 different faders (A, B and C), only 1 of which is currently controlling the parameter in question. So you would have this kind of expression in all the fields you want to be controlled by presets, and you would want to set up the VCS initially so that the "preset values" that you want are set up to in all faders "A", the next "preset" in all faders "B", etc. Then you could play with all the faders A, and on changing !ActiveFaderChoice to 1, you would go to whatever you have set up in faders B, etc.

The main problem I see with this (beyond having to have so many faders), is once you have changed the values for the Faders A, theres no way to go back to the initial values you had set up in A again (assuming you want to go back again after having been to another set of faders) without recalling your initial VCS preset, which change of course won't be interpolated.

Hope this gives you some ideas you can use.

Phil

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cristian_vogel
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posted 22 June 2006 07:21         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks Phil and SSC

yes, Phil you have described exactly what I would love to be able to do - your solution , is perhaps a little complicated , but I understand what you are going for - its a kind of a preset engine within a Sound, but obviously lacking the snapshot capabilities of the built in preset system. Nevertheless I like your idea, its in line with searching for something live, evolving and improvising.

The transition to new destination values upon the click of a button that SSC posted, is a fantastically simple idea and and has a lot of potential - I think it might even work to interp between presets as well, much in the same was as the InterpPrest module - i'll try it in the studio today...


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Phi Curtis
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posted 22 June 2006 12:00         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Cristian,

I refined my idea and posted the sounds in the "VCS Faders query" topic. The main refinements being having SoundToGlobalControllers showing what the "real" current values are at all times, and being able to step through psuedo-dynamic-presets with a button click. One thing that needs to be done is to have the smoothing happen only when the button is clicked, and not smooth the normal fader operation, but that shouldn't be too hard.

The main drawback to this approach is having so many faders, and then having to have so many faders assigned to physical controller faders in a live setup, if you wanted to control all the "presets" dynamically.

Phil

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patrik
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posted 01 June 2011 09:57         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quite an old thread but a real interesting one!
Are there any new thoughts one these questions?
thanks!
Patrik

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robertjarvis
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posted 10 June 2012 09:55         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Time1.ktl

 
"You can now specify master parameter control functions to interpolate the presets of the top level VCS layer of the timeline. Use the Automation drop-down menu at the upper left in the Timeline window."

How would one do that with, for example, the attached timeline?

(In the attached timeline I am using a Sound to Global Controller to change the presets. I tell it the Program Change Number and the preset changes when the cursor passes. I think, ideally, what I would like is the ability to also tell the Sound to Global Controller the speed at which to implement the changes, i.e, to interpolate from the previous preset settings within so many seconds).

Is this at all possible?

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