posted 05 October 2010 02:33            

Thanks for reply SSC
It's a mix between a chimpanzee and a baboon.
I search to make something very realistic, if a monkey talking can be realistic
I want to vocalize this animal with my voice so i began with vocoder but seems to be too synthetics. Now i'm learning the prototype tracking...
And i received the mail with the link of Jed's site and his approach of vocalize intrigued me. I tried to do the same with my monkey but i must admit that i would need a big training lol

Best regards,

posted 05 October 2010 11:41            

Thanks robertjarvis for the idea but what is this new prototype again ?
I will test later...
SSC-> yes it must be some recognizable words, so i will work the RE analysis, thanks.

SAmy

posted 06 October 2010 12:37            

Chimpanzee.wav Chimpanzee2.wav

I will send the monkey samples tommorrow.

Thanks

maj : you can find 2 samples of chimpanzee... very impatient to hear your creations.

posted 30 October 2010 07:18            

Samy

posted 03 November 2010 06:07            

I'm doing something wrong with the PSI analysis or SOS is the best way to go? Any tips to improve the expressivity of the elephant's trump? how could I make it morph between more than two sound (with SOS)?

thanks in advance (and sorry for the newbie questions)

posted 03 November 2010 11:13            

elef_barr_08.wav elef_barr_07.wav

with the SOS, now I can gracefully pitch up and down an have a nice time stretch( and make the elephant performance a bit more alive), but I'm looking forward to other things to try

thank you to all

posted 10 December 2010 10:11            

TRacking.zip

Thanks dieffe for the idea of SOS, i will try this now.

Best

SAmy

posted 13 April 2011 13:55            

SingeKyma.zip Singe.zip

After a long period without Kyma ( it was horrible ), i'm back to explore again the world of sounds !!!!
And to begin i'm working on an animation movie with this famous talking monkey, and it's not simple...
I attach some examples of wav files and a Kyma sound of my work at the moment. But i'm not satisfied enough
I can make some expressions of the monkey but it's not " talking enough ".
I've tried the Tau file to morph the monkey with "reel" words without success...
Then, i tried Re Analysis, but i don't really understand the way of use Re Analysis... for this.
And finally, i wanted "vocolize" the sound like i've talk about at the beginning of this topic with the memory writer, in this way

"This patch allows to adjust the IN and OUT of a sample loop while I’m changing the rate. Kyma records the loop segment at each BPM (adjustable) in the RAM and as the IN and OUT move constantly, I can dial on any part of the sample and make the sound vocalizing."

but without success due to my ignorance...

So if someone can explain some details to me, it would be a pleasure

Samy

posted 13 April 2011 21:05            

I have a few vague ideas but before I explore them I need a bit more context?

Is there a script for the monkey? Does the monkey have actual words or is it supposed to communicate in utterances/implied meaning?

How long is it?

Will you have a video to work to?

I can see two main approaches. A) Take a human voice and manipulate it with monkey formantz/frequencies or B) Take recordings of monkeys arrange them to the video so they inflect and sync, then vocode or morph the speech to intelligence.

The big challenge is the amount of dialogue that needs creating. If it is long, then finding some real time way to act/perform the speech would be helpful.

If there is only a limited amount of dialogue then you could possibly sculpt each segment in TAU or create analysis of each segment.

I think the realities are thus: To pull this off you need A) The finished video B) whole load of human attempts at the vocalisation/speech C) Bucket full of monkey recordings D) an epic amount of time.

This does sound like an interesting but formidable challenge.

posted 14 April 2011 01:39            

I will explain a little more for help :
the monkey communicate in utterances/implied meaning in general but have
a few sentence in the movie.
I've already synchronize some sounds on the video, it's not so long.
I does agree with your B) solution :
"Take recordings of monkeys arrange them to the video so they inflect and sync, then vocode or morph the speech to intelligence."

but i've tried to morph them in the Tau editor but without success and the
time i've used vocoder it's sound "synthetic" .

It's a very interesting challenge and i would like to show the
power of the Kyma for this !!!

Best,

Samy

posted 14 April 2011 10:16            

Ok so if we consider Tau morphing for the moment as a focus, my thoughts lead to this:

In my experience of morphing, there are two ways of achieving results, A) morphing completely between two sources. In my opinion, this does not have the subtlety even at a half way setting.

B) Experiment with the sounds and find one that allows you to morph the frequency, time, formant etc independently, it is thought careful experimentation and combination of parameter selection that you might find what you are looking for? Formant of the human, yet the frequency of the monkey or the other way around?

See what I am getting at? You may have considered this before.....

Good Luck

Charlie

posted 15 April 2011 14:13            

Thanks for your "encouragement"

It's true that the complete morph between 2 samples is not simple...
But like you've said the source sound of the morph is very important.
After an afternoon using the Tau editor i approach a great result,
only sculpting the sounds but not morphing them...

Best,

SAmy

posted 15 April 2011 16:52            

I wonder if your attached example might sound more animal-like with a continuous keyboard.? I tried playing your resynthesis from Kyma Control, but I think it could be even more expressive using the Wacom tablet or a Continuum (since they both have continuous amplitude control as well as pitch).

posted 16 April 2011 01:10            

Wowww !!!! How do you manage to this ??? It's my sound with the Wacom tablet ???
I does agree about my sound, when i listen it today it seems weird
I tried several times with the Wacom tablet to do like your sound at 25s, more speaking, without success.... perharps possible problem in my settings of the wacom. I will explore it with my new sounds from the Tau editor.
But i can say thanks to you, that it's possible to do it with Kyma !!!

Greats Thanks SSC,

SAMy

posted 03 May 2011 11:25            

SingeMorphing.zip

I still have not managed to make a monkey talk but I managed to make it sing, see the attached file...
My first great morphing, i'm proud of it

Excuse me SSC but i don't understand this words :

"I think it might get a little closer to speech-like sounds when you can have continuous pitch glides in addition to some discrete steps? "

i really need to make it talk like you did , but each time i try it with the wacom tablet it loose the attack...

Thanks again for your help,

Best

SAmy

posted 05 May 2011 02:14            

Yes, he's hilarious this monkey...

I'v tried again with the wacom tablet and with my resynthesis of monkey and a nooby question comes suddenly : what can give me more to play a resynthesis instead a sample ? ( in that case of a small sample )

I love the Tau Player.

Best,

Samy