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SamuelSacher
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posted 14 July 2012 13:07         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi!

I'm trying to give a sense of pitch (or tone) to the recorded sound of the rain ...
Any suggestions?
It would be nice if rain could react to !KeyNumber.

thanx!

Ss

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jhinton
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posted 14 July 2012 13:14         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you looked at the SampleCloud KBD prototype? I would think that would get you off to a good start.

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SamuelSacher
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posted 14 July 2012 14:22         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanx for suggestion, excellent idea!

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pete
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posted 15 July 2012 07:59         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Samuel

You could try a band pass filter. If the band is too wide it won't have so much pitch but if the band is too narrow it won't sound like rain. Note that once you start moving the centre frequency the pitch will become more apparent so you can get away with a wider band.

Alternatively you could find the natural frequency peek of the rain sound and emphasize it with the band pass filter then record the result. Then play that recording in a sample player to change the pitch. If you can't find the natural pitch by ear alone then play the original sound in a sample player, then play a few different notes and the natural pitch should reveal it's self.

Again alternatively you could put it through a delay line with feed back that will give it a tuned comb filter.

In all three cases you can add back some of the original sound but make sure it's not on a similar starting point as you don't want uncontrolled phasing.

Hope it helps

Pete

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SSC
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posted 15 July 2012 09:17         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Related to Pete's suggestion, perhaps try sending the rain recording through a HarmonicResonator whose pitch is controlled by the keyboard. Or a SyntheticSpectrumFromArray controlled by the keyboard feeding into a FilterBankResynthesis?

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SamuelSacher
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posted 15 July 2012 10:10         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Pete!

thnx for suggestions! I think I'll try the second one ...
and see where to go from there
! and also thank you for the phasing warning ... I'm sure I'd forget about that !

bw

Ss

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SamuelSacher
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posted 15 July 2012 10:59         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it really made my day ....

shame we are living in middle ages, otherwise I could make a nice commercial, involving group of man, boxes of beer and buckets of various sizes ... :-)))

I guess, this is what one gets when tries to make broadband noise not so broadband

anyway, it looks that, if I bury "p... into tuned bucket", in white noise (or rain), I'll get something

thank you!

bw

Ss

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pete
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posted 15 July 2012 12:38         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just another note.

If you don't have enough rain samples you can use the sound of sizzling sausages in a frying pan. These sounds are interchangeable and we cannot differentiate between the two.


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SamuelSacher
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posted 15 July 2012 14:57         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
now that you have mentioned it ...

I recorded my wife preparing some steaks for her (I'm vegetarian), and the sound of frying is really very similar to the sound of rain ...

I'll try to use this as well, maybe I can make more convincing rain out of no-rain :-)

thnx

Ss

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pete
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posted 15 July 2012 17:27         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes

It's not uncommon for sounds that are not what they are to sound more like what they are supposed to be than the real sound it's self.

Performance cars pulling away in films are hardly ever the actual car sound, as the cars a tuned for high speed and sound pretty pathetic when pulling away. Listen to a real Porsche tick over.

Apparently frogs making the sound RE-DIT only happens in one place in the world ( I think it's near LA). The recordings have been used to represent ambiances for every where around the world and we all think that's what all frogs sounds like.

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SamuelSacher
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posted 16 July 2012 02:51         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well, this is really interesting, and IMO important stuff ..

can you, please, direct me to some more sources about this subject - audio illusions, misconceptions, and so on ...
a book, somebody's web page, documentary ....

and, thank you SSC for suggestion!

I understand that rain itself is mute, that the sound comes from the surface it is hitting
so I have to decide, should rain be falling on steel-drums, marimbas, or tablas, or on some crystal-glass ...
maybe some cross-synthesis can help ...

Thank you for hints!

Ss

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pete
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posted 17 July 2012 15:53         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry I don't have any links or books etc.

It's just stuff I've picked up along the way.

May be some other Kymerests know of documentation on the subject.

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CharlieNorton
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posted 24 July 2012 10:07         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You might find this interesting....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdbYsoEasio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_scream

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SamuelSacher
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posted 25 July 2012 02:43         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
great!
thank you so much ...
film industry recycle itself even in smallest details
fractal?
:-)

Ss

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