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HectorBenard
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posted 18 April 2006 16:59         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Today I started having some problems with my motormix. When I turned it on it just wouldn't respond to Kyma (wouldn't send or receive anything), even though everything was connected propperly. After restarting Kyma and switching off and on the Capybara I managed to get it working again. I am concerned because that is the same problem that I had when I was using Jeremiah's Motormix a year ago. First it stopped responding from time to time for no apparent reason, and shorlty after that it wouldn't work at all (even though, like mine, it passed the self-test fine!). I don't want to panic yet, but it would be quite a disaster for me if my motormix becomes unreliable, as I am working on several projects with fast-approaching deadlines.

Has anybody else had similar problems with their motormix?

And SSC, are there any developments in implementing other boxes (such as the Mackie MCU)? Given how difficult it is to find a motormix these days (eBay being pretty much the only option), it would be really nice to have other alternatives in case something fails.


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yenorom
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posted 19 April 2006 03:54         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lemur integration would be great.

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robertjarvis
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posted 19 April 2006 04:23         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A few years ago I think I had a similar problem, in that the MM began to only work only occasionally on power up. Eventually, I could sense a burning smell inside the machine. Through SSC I was given the contact for the motormix manufacturers who offered to swap my defunct one for a new one in working order, which I took advantage of.

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photonal
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posted 19 April 2006 05:27         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At http://www.cmlabs.net/motormix.html the "MotorMix V 1.2 Developer pkg3.pdf" contains details of MotorMix troubleshooting and self-tests you can perform to check different motormix functions.

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Larry Simon
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posted 30 April 2006 14:23         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mine has always misbehaved intermittently: some faders resist being moved, but if I push hard enough to move them one or two other faders move on their own. I've never been able to reproduce it consistently enough to nail it down. Yesterday Dual Vocoder Freq & Pitch in Filters.kym was doing it every time; today it works fine.

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Larry Simon
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posted 30 April 2006 15:57         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Might be a problem when it's warm. I left it on since the last post (an hr.), did a kill and play and it started acting up. I tried shutting down the mac, mm and Capy and starting up again. Was misbehaving within a couple of mins. Faders other than the one I'm touching (sometimes several) move. The VCS tracks the one I'm moving but not the ones that are moving on their own.

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Phi Curtis
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posted 16 November 2006 11:07         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HectorBenard:
First it stopped responding from time to time for no apparent reason, and shorlty after that it wouldn't work at all (even though, like mine, it passed the self-test fine!).

This seems to be the pattern with my motormix. Has anybody learned anything about this since this thread was active?

The problem seems to be quite independent of Kyma. I can't get it to send midi to Max either when it is not working.

Phil

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HectorBenard
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posted 17 November 2006 05:21         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Phil,

I haven't had any problems with my motormix lately. The problems I had just disappeared after a while for no apparent reason. However, I rarley turn it on these days in the studio, and I use it mostly just for live performance. I'm still hoping that SSC will be able to offer an alternative to the motormix soon, as they no longer carry it, and CMLabs can't seem to get their act together. The idea of a motormix dying on you while on tour and not being able to replace it is not particularly appealing.

H

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JackRosete
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posted 17 November 2006 06:17         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would be amazing if SSC could add support for the Lemur interface, with a direct link accessible from the VCS/Sound Editor (kinda like the current support for Wacom tablets). The OSCulator has made the Lemur/Kyma work well together as distinct protocols, but a further implementation from within Kyma to allow easy mapping and so forth, would be great! The Lemur really IS the control/performance interface of the future, highly recommended! Perhaps this could be the next Kyma controller?

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tuscland
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posted 17 November 2006 06:34         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Jack,

I totally agree with you. That's why I made the OSCulator. However, you have to know that the only protocols available on a Lemur are OSC and MIDI, so there is no further integration possible than Kyma to use OSC, and as you said this is what OSCulator does. I hope to give a further integration with the Lemur in the next version, like automatic interface loading ; but the fact that I don't own a Lemur does not ease the coding ...

Best,
Camille

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JackRosete
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posted 17 November 2006 07:14         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Camille,

I guess I meant more from the Kyma end of things, for example that right clicking on a VCS object and selecting 'Learn' would pick up the OSC data coming in from OSCulator, to ease mapping. And perhaps some day that OSCulator could be integrated into Kyma, so its patches would be saved along with Kyma Sound files automatically, and VCS settings, when recalled, would automatically be sent to the Lemur etc. But I was just confabulating really! Perhaps I posted in the wrong part of the forum I just read Hector's post about the Motormix and thought I'd slip this in, as it would be great if the Lemur were fully integrated into Kyma like Motormix/Wacom/Continuum. For the time being, I'm enjoying OSCulator!
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Phi Curtis
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posted 17 November 2006 10:07         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HectorBenard:
I haven't had any problems with my motormix lately. The problems I had just disappeared after a while for no apparent reason. H

Well mine just decided to work this morning. Hmmm. I have a performance this weekend and am not sure what to do - I don't have a lot of time to play with it between now and them to see if it still seems reliable (it would be my first performance with the motormix)...

Regarding the Lemur as an integrated controller with Kyma, I'm not sure it's a good idea to put so much effort into integrating with another product that costs almost as much as a basic capybara system...I know I can't afford it for the foreseeable future. Not that it doesn't look great and most likely is the "future of controllers," in the sense that that is the direction that things probably are and should be headed.

OSC integration is another thing though, I'm all for that. Also soft takeover of normal midi controllers (a la Reaktor), which I have mentioned before. Or maybe integration with a cheap motorized fader device like the Behringer BCF2000.

Phil

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Phi Curtis
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posted 17 November 2006 10:08         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Phi Curtis:
Well mine just decided to work this morning.

I spoke too soon. In the time it took me to write that message, the motormix just went blank...

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Jeff Corkum
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posted 17 November 2006 11:57         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm... This had been happening to my Motor Mix for a while. I would be using it with the computer (before I bought the Capybara) and the screen would go blank and all would stop. It seems to be a MM problem unrelated to the Capybara (although it has not happened yet when hooked to the capybara and so I though it was a MIDI port issue). Darn, looks like mine is going bad also...

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HectorBenard
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posted 17 November 2006 12:16         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Phil,

That's too bad! I know how frustrating it can be when the motormix just quits on you like that.

I've suggested to Kurt looking into the mackie MCU. It is well built, easy to get, and much less expensive than the motormix2. It is a bit big, but I think it is the best option to replace the motormix. Also, I think the behringer has a mode to emulate the MCU, so if communication with the MCU is implemented in Kyma that would mean that the BCF2000 could be used as well, as an inexpensive alternative (its lack of lcd's for the faders is a big problem for it to become the main motormix replacement).

The Lemur looks really nice. It's great that it can be used with Kyma now through the OSCUlator (I know a few people that over the last couple of years had been very interested in using OSC with Kyma, and now thanks to Camille it can be done). It will be very exciting to work with the lemur in the future, but I think it is important to still have a motorized fader box controller that is affordable, reliable and... available!

Cheers,

Hector

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JackRosete
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posted 17 November 2006 16:15         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
'Regarding the Lemur as an integrated controller with Kyma, I'm not sure it's a good idea to put so much effort into integrating with another product that costs almost as much as a basic capybara system'

I can see your point Phil, sometimes I forget how much the Lemur cost! (Something that generally happens when you've got your money's worth!) Nevertheless, it's not cheap by any means...

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robertjarvis
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posted 18 November 2006 07:40         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please remember that the OSCulator only talks to Mac computers. What is needed is something which is not platform dependent.


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HectorBenard
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posted 18 November 2006 19:08         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Lemur also has a mackey emulation mode, and the JazzEditor software works as an OSC to MIDI bridge. Assuming that the midi data could be sent to and from the capy through the flame on the next firmware release, if two way communication between Kyma and the MCU was implemented, the Lemur could also be used with Kyma directly in this way.

H

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armand
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posted 23 January 2007 11:16         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The new Mackie Control Surfaces now have onboard USB MIDI interfaces, that might be an interesting alternative to the Motormix; http://www.mackie.com/products/mcupro/splash.html


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armand
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posted 01 April 2007 11:30         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JazzMutant is coming with another multitouch DAW controller called the Dexter: http://www.jazzmutant.com/ http://emusician.com/emusician_xtra/JazzMutant_Introduces_Dexter_Lemur1_6/

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