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Phi Curtis
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posted 20 September 2007 00:42         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

EditWindowProblem.png.zip

 
Hi SSC,

I noticed today that you mention an upcoming update. Any chance the graphics problem in the edit window will be fixed? I've had it for the last couple of releases, although I haven't seen any mention of it here, oddly (I think I emailed about it awhile ago...)

Basically, any time I move the sliders in the edit window, the image breaks up and I need to actually resize the window to to get it to redraw again. It's harmless, but very annoying. I'm attaching a screenshot in case I'm the only person seeing this for some reason.

Thanks!

best,
Phil

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SSC
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posted 20 September 2007 08:43         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does this ever happen when the entire window is on screen? Or does it happen only when part of the window is off screen?
Thanks.

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Phi Curtis
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posted 20 September 2007 12:20         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi SSC,

I haven't noticed any circumstances in which it doesn't happen...

It happens on both my dual G4 desktop and my intel macbook pro, with the last two versions of Kyma X (I think 6.45 and 6.46?). Are other people not seeing this?

best,
Phil


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tuscland
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posted 20 September 2007 12:28         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Phil,

Everything is fine for me. I am using a Mac Pro.
Perhaps you should install combo update of Mac OS X 10.4.10 (if you previously used the automatic software update), it could be something with video drivers and OpenGL …

Best,
Camille

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Phi Curtis
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posted 20 September 2007 13:14         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Camille, I'll try that tonight.

best,
Phil

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rafe
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posted 03 December 2008 23:08         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i am having this same problem with leopard 10.5.5 this is after installing the 10.5.5 combo update. the graphics issue is not limited to the edit window however. it happens on all kyma windows.

does anyone have a suggestion? intel 2.8 ghz kyma x.54

thanks

r

[This message has been edited by rafe (edited 03 December 2008).]

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photonal
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posted 04 December 2008 03:04         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This 'image breakup' also happens when using Spaces in OSX (mentioned in a previous post) - resizing the windows works as a workaround.

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Phi Curtis
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posted 04 December 2008 07:51         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually I'm still having this problem. But I don't think I ever tried installing the combo update, as suggested by Camille, after all - It's mostly just an annoyance.

But is anyone also having problems with cutting and pasting? I find that the copy buffer tends to get copied over with any highlighted text, so that, for example, if I copy some code, when I highlight some other code to paste over, instead when I perform the paste, I find that what I am pasting is now the text that I have just highlighted. It's very strange.

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SSC
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posted 04 December 2008 10:31         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
But is anyone also having problems with cutting and pasting? I find that the copy buffer tends to get copied over with any highlighted text, so that, for example, if I copy some code, when I highlight some other code to paste over, instead when I perform the paste, I find that what I am pasting is now the text that I have just highlighted. It's very strange.

Is it possible that this happens only after you *delete* the highlighted text? In other words:

1. Copy some text
2. Highlight some other text
3. Delete the highlighted text
4. Your copy buffer contains what you just deleted

If so then this behavior is buried deep in the guts of Smalltalk itself. Many years ago, we actually met the (famous computer scientist) who is responsible for this feature, and when we pointed it out to him, he insisted that this is the way that copy/paste *should* work and that every other program has it wrong. (Computer scientists, like artists, can sometimes have pretty strong opinions).

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Phi Curtis
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posted 04 December 2008 11:02         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you are right - that is what I am doing. It's funny that I didn't notice this behavior for the first year or two that I used Kyma. Maybe I just developed this habit of deleting before pasting in the last year...

I never was able to figure out exactly how to replicate the problem dependably enough to formulate a bug report about it. Now I know enough to just avoid it, I think.

That's a funny anecdote. It's a very strange way to have a copy and paste function - I guess he was not using a cut function, and using the delete key as cut.

Thanks!

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rafe
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posted 04 December 2008 11:43         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by photonal:
This 'image breakup' also happens when using Spaces in OSX (mentioned in a previous post) - resizing the windows works as a workaround.

yes, i have been doing that and thanks for the reply. i thought i remembered reading about this but didn't find it during my search.

is spaces "system wide" ? i was having the problem before i tried integrating spaces into my workflow and wasn't having this problem on a different machine with leopard installed.


too bad if spaces is the culprit as it is a helpful feature for streamlining workflow.


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rafe
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posted 04 December 2008 11:47         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SSC:
Many years ago, we actually met the (famous computer scientist) who is responsible for this feature, and when we pointed it out to him, he insisted that this is the way that copy/paste *should* work and that every other program has it wrong. (Computer scientists, like artists, can sometimes have pretty strong opinions).


charming - reminds me of this : " the reasonable man adapts himself to life; the unreasonable man expects life to adapt to him therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man" george bernard shaw



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Phi Curtis
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posted 04 December 2008 12:35         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think it's Spaces - isn't that a Leopard feature? I'm not on Leopard...

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rafe
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posted 04 December 2008 12:55         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hello Phill

from your description i understood you were having the problem occur in the edit windows which i didn't have occurring under tiger. i have it on all kyma windows including the prototype strip, sound file windows, edit windows and the sound browser window.


the graphics card on the machine i am having the problem with is and ati radeon hd 2600 xt
and on the other was a geforce 8600 ( going by memory) - if it could be related to the hardware or drivers of specific cards - just a thought.

[This message has been edited by rafe (edited 04 December 2008).]

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Phi Curtis
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posted 04 December 2008 13:03         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ahh - you're right. I am just seeing it in the edit window. Sorry to hear that your problem is so extensive...

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photonal
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posted 05 December 2008 01:42         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes 'Spaces' is a Leopard feature:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/spaces.html

I wasn't getting the graphics issues in Leopard before I activated Spaces - it is quite useful though having different apps; each with multiple windows, on separate desktops - otherwise a single desktop can become cluttered up - especially if an app doesn't move all of it's windows behind an app which has been brought into the foreground.

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mk23
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posted 08 December 2008 12:47         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
re: the Copy and Paste behaviour, now I know who to shout at when this feature raises it's head :-)
quote:
Is it possible that this happens only after you *delete* the highlighted text?

No, not always. And what I find annoying is that when I want to copy and paste something into a Kyma window, the first time I paste, it does not work. But the second attempt, and further attempts usually work fine. This is on both Mac and PC as far as I can see...
No biggy, but it's been like that for years.

David

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rafe
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posted 11 February 2009 15:09         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i SSC

i am still having this issue 10.5.6 and spaces is disabled and latest kyma. its just a bit annoying and i am wondering if any other potential solutions or causes may have surfaced.

thanks

r

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photonal
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posted 13 February 2009 06:36         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

LiveSpaces.zip

 
just as a side-note:

Kyma isn't the only app to dislike Spaces - Ableton Live has the same problem. Perhaps there's a bug in *Spaces* rather than Kyma or Live.

The attached file shows the resulting effect with Ableton Live.

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keph
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posted 13 February 2009 09:46         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Microsoft Office is pretty much useless as well with Spaces. I can't find it now, but I did read a write-up that points the finger at Apple. Less because it is a 'bug' but largely due to changes the UI can be drawn. It is particularly troublesome for those with multiple windows in an app and coming from older (ie, non-cocoa) frameworks.

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rafe
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posted 16 February 2009 16:17         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi

so does anyone know if spaces has any code running / active when it is disabled?

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