posted 10 December 2009 16:06            

i have a few versions so far.. one using a bee recording in a sampler played through kymas granular reverb to create a swarm effect and another played on a kazoo through the granular reverb..okish results but i was wondering if there was a way to create this effect with frequency tracking.

my idea is to have the flight of the bublebee piece run through a sample of an actual swarm of bees and force the pitches of that sample of bees to the notes of the music.

any ideas on where i could start.. prototypes etc would be greatly appreciated. im a new user and my skills haven't met up to my ideas yet

thanks!!
joseph

posted 10 December 2009 20:29            

How about getting a single cycle sample from a bumblebee recording and use this as an oscillator source. You could sample a few different insects for different waveforms. You could join them together to create wavetables....

CrossfadingMulticycleOscillator Vocal KBD <<< Thats what I start with.

This way you would have pitched instruments to really actually musically realise the FOTBB

Getting a bee into an anechoic chamber would be the trick. DPA 4090 or Earthworks QTC1 and some dayme expensive mic preamps to keep the noisefloor down.

Then again you could just use a stock one.

Just my mad ramblingz,

Charlie

posted 10 December 2009 22:01            

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Originally posted by CharlieNorton:
I have been thinking about your bumblebees.

How about getting a single cycle sample from a bumblebee recording and use this as an oscillator source. You could sample a few different insects for different waveforms. You could join them together to create wavetables....

CrossfadingMulticycleOscillator Vocal KBD <<< Thats what I start with.

This way you would have pitched instruments to really actually musically realise the FOTBB

Getting a bee into an anechoic chamber would be the trick. DPA 4090 or Earthworks QTC1 and some dayme expensive mic preamps to keep the noisefloor down.

Then again you could just use a stock one.

Just my mad ramblingz,

Charlie

[This message has been edited by CharlieNorton (edited 10 December 2009).]

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posted 16 December 2009 06:52            

is that an especially bad pun? probably , sorry for the thread jump!

posted 19 December 2009 10:52            

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Originally posted by SSC:
Do you have a sample of a single bee with a pretty identifiable pitch (one you can hum along to ? If so you could drag it into the Tau editor, save it and press the Galleries button. The KBD Controlled Sounds could be used for playing the Rimsky Korsakov.

I tried this with a swarm of bees sample from Hollywood Edge and it is getting close, but I think the single bee would sound better. If you have a "bee solo" that you can upload here, I would be happy to give it a try.

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wow great! ill see if i have one in my library that could work. the solo bee i was trying it with was buzzing around the microphone so there are inconsistencies in frequency and amplitude.

thanks!

posted 19 December 2009 10:54            

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Originally posted by cristian_vogel:
Have you read Douglas Coupland's new novel, generation A ? despite the title, its actually about b's.

is that an especially bad pun? probably , sorry for the thread jump!

please continue...

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posted 22 December 2009 16:13            

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Originally posted by SSC:
Do you have a sample of a single bee with a pretty identifiable pitch (one you can hum along to ? If so you could drag it into the Tau editor, save it and press the Galleries button. The KBD Controlled Sounds could be used for playing the Rimsky Korsakov.

I tried this with a swarm of bees sample from Hollywood Edge and it is getting close, but I think the single bee would sound better. If you have a "bee solo" that you can upload here, I would be happy to give it a try.

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at the link below there is a decent single bee recording from my library. the amplitudes fluctuate a bit. not sure if that will be a problem. look forward to what you com up with!
http://jafboxsound.com/Kyma/Bees_Single_Bee_Buzzing_Animal_Insect.aiff

thanks!
joseph

posted 23 December 2009 16:02            

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Originally posted by SSC:
OK, I excerpted a short segment from your recording, one without drastic amplitude changes or pitch changes. Then I analyzed it in the Tau Editor and used Galleries to get the attached Sound. What I found was that it does not sound bee-like anymore if I play it on a keyboard. However, when I played it on the Wacom tablet as one continuous note with the pitches sliding around, it sounds pretty much like a bee doing Flight of the Bumblebee. Enough so that people in the office were laughing in recognition. Do you have a Wacom tablet (or could you find one at a nearby computer store)?

Another thing I tried was to play a recording of the Rimsky Korskov and perform the Wacom in parallel with that. You could try that a few times and then select Record to Disk from the Action menu to get a recording of your bee. Maybe even make several recordings and then layer them to get the swarming effect (since it's nearly impossible to play it the same way twice

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