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aries
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posted 05 December 2010 14:15         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it's maybe a stupid question and was answered here several times but how can i connect kyma control on my ipad with kyma/paca? my paca is connected to the local network via ethernet cable.

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posted 05 December 2010 15:33         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I know there are ways without it but I suggest getting Delora's MidiConnect. It make all my problems go away plus gave me the virtual midi ports for easy integration with my DAW.

I *think* that without MidiConnect, you connect the Pacarana to your wireless router and then connect the iPad to the same router and Kyma Control should just see it automatically.

Here is the tweaky page: http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Learn/KymaControl

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posted 05 December 2010 16:24         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Keph! Yes, connecting the Paca to a wireless router and then connecting the iPad to that same wireless network is the way to go. OR you can use Delora's PacaConnect (which let's you use the built-in Airport wireless network on your Macintosh to set up a local wireless network).

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posted 05 December 2010 16:36         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
connecting paca and ipad to the same wireless is exactly what I've done but unfortunately i can't link them in kyma. is there any parameter changing required in kyma control?

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posted 05 December 2010 18:02         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No parameter changes are required in Kyma; everything just maps automatically.

Just to confirm, when you look at Settings>Wi-fi on the iPad, do you see the wireless network name? Then when you go to Configuration in Kyma Control, do you see "Beslime-###" under Paca(rana) Hosts?

In Kyma Control, does the Configure tab have a red (!) next to it? That would indicate that it is not connecting.

On the front panel of the Paca, select Help, then scroll all the way to the right to see the IP address; does it show an IP address?

When you play a Sound that has a Virtual control surface, you should see the same control surface on the VCS tab of Kyma Control.

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posted 06 December 2010 13:40         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Just to confirm, when you look at Settings>Wi-fi on the iPad, do you see the wireless network name? Then when you go to Configuration in Kyma Control, do you see "Beslime-###" under Paca(rana) Hosts?

yes, it is visible under paca hosts
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In Kyma Control, does the Configure tab have a red (!) next to it? That would indicate that it is not connecting.

yes, that is true. the red ! is on the configure tab
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On the front panel of the Paca, select Help, then scroll all the way to the right to see the IP address; does it show an IP address?

yes, it's the same ip (without the last number behind the ( : ) ) like in kyma control (paca hosts)
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When you play a Sound that has a Virtual control surface, you should see the same control surface on the VCS tab of Kyma Control.

no, there are no vc-surfaces on the ipad. that means ipads monitor is black but i can send some presets to kyma.

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posted 06 December 2010 13:44         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you running Kyma X.77?

How far is your wireless router from your iPad? What is the name of the router?

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posted 06 December 2010 13:50         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, i'm running 6.77f2 and my wi-fi router is about 5 m from the ipad away. i've this one: http://www.alice-wiki.de/Alice_Modem_1121_WLAN sorry, its in german

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posted 06 December 2010 13:56         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is the brand of the router?

Could you please try substituting another Ethernet cable between Paca and router (in case the current cable is bad)?

Is there a lot of traffic on the wireless router? Lots of other people using it? Streaming video at the same time?

Does the router allow you the possibility of changing channels by hand? Is it possible that your neighbors' Wi-fi could be interfering? Or do you have a wireless telephone nearby (not a mobile phone, but one of those portable handsets; some of the older ones are at a frequency that interferes with Wi-fi). Or is there a microwave oven in use nearby? Or, possibly, a wireless mic? Anything else that might be causing interference?

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aries
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posted 06 December 2010 13:59         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i guess he was built by siemens

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posted 06 December 2010 14:03         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry that I was editing my previous post while you were answering at the same time(!)

Another test: Are you able to access the Internet from your iPad through the same wireless router?

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posted 06 December 2010 14:05         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, it's no problem to connect to the internet via the router

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posted 06 December 2010 14:30         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sounds like the connection is being made, but a lot of packets are being dropped. This suggests the possibility of radio interference (any possibilities?) Or a faulty connection (bad cable) between the Paca and the router.

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posted 06 December 2010 16:49         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i don't imagine connection between paca and router is interrupted because the cable is new. maybe my router is incompatible? is there any other possibility to connect the devices w/o using an adaptor application?

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posted 06 December 2010 17:18         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even a new cable could have a flaw. If you have another Ethernet cable around, it is definitely worth giving it a try.

Is there a lot of traffic on the wireless router? Lots of other people using it? Streaming video at the same time?

Does the router allow you the possibility of changing its frequency by hand? Is it possible that your neighbors' Wi-fi could be interfering? Do you have a wireless telephone nearby (not a mobile phone, but one of those portable handsets; some of the older ones are at a frequency that interferes with Wi-fi). Is there a microwave oven in use nearby? Or, possibly, a wireless mic? Anything other kind of wireless device that might be causing interference?

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posted 07 December 2010 14:07         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it was problem with the ethernet cable. I'll be damned the cable was a new one. Thank you for your help.

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posted 07 December 2010 20:57         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted 11 December 2010 11:06         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
because of the complexity of a vcs (e.g. an output 8 with 8 instruments) it would be fine if i could switch between the instruments via multilevel vcs -menu in kyma control. can that be done?

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posted 11 December 2010 15:55         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not yet. (You could have it switch in the Timeline using Markers, if you know when you would want it to switch, or you could send a MIDI Program Change message if you have a way of sending those).

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posted 23 December 2010 12:14         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it's really strange, everytime I start kyma control on the ipad apple logic pro reports a osc port issue. that means logic points out "beslime 214 and the ipad use the same osc port 8000" I've tried to disable some logic ports in little snitch but w/o success.

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posted 23 December 2010 12:22         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It should not be a problem that the two devices are using the same port number, since they have different IP addresses.

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posted 23 December 2010 18:08         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get the same error message in Logic Pro. I ignore it - the connection works fine.

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posted 23 December 2010 19:39         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Pastiche27:
I get the same error message in Logic Pro. I ignore it - the connection works fine.

yes, it works fine but it bugs me a little bit.

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posted 23 December 2010 19:41         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SSC:
It should not be a problem that the two devices are using the same port number, since they have different IP addresses.

... but there is no way to change it, isn't it?

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