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wsequeira
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posted 23 July 2012 23:08         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi folks! -- I am helping a good friend of mine in his quest to locate a Crumar GDS -- he is trying to recreate a working system as he has the front end keyboard of what he believes used to be Felix Visser's GDS. Wondering if any of you would have a pointer to where one could be found. It would be much appreciated.

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ChristianSchloesser
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posted 24 July 2012 06:21         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a friend who asked me a few month ago if i would like to buy his GDS. He is located in Berlin. So if you are in Europe this might be an option. It is in working order and comes with spare parts.
Let me know if i should ask him.
All the best
Chris

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wsequeira
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posted 24 July 2012 09:10         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Chris,

Excellent news! My friend lives in Switzerland - hence the system being located in Berlin is good news also. I would like to introduce you to my friend Werner. What email address should I use to foster the introduction? He will be very happy to hear the news. Thanks again!

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ChristianSchloesser
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posted 24 July 2012 12:23         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will ask my friend if the GDS is still for sale. If yes i will send you his email address.okay?
Have a nice day
Chris

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ChristianSchloesser
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posted 24 July 2012 12:38         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sorry to inform you that my friend exchanged the GDS against a Reel to Reel Studer Multitrack mashine a few weeks ago.
He said the GDS is really difficult to transport, but these machines sound excellent and are one of a kind.
Sorry...
Good luck and all the best
Chris


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wsequeira
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posted 24 July 2012 16:26         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Chris, appreciate you asking your friend -- too bad we missed the opportunity. Would you mind asking your friend if he wouldn't mind conversing with Werner about the GDS? Even something like that may be of great help to him. Thanks again! -- Bill

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wsequeira
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posted 08 August 2012 12:51         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Chris -- I spoke with Werner Shönenberger in Switzerland and he is interested in making an offer for the GDS to your friend's buyer. Would you be so kind as to pass Werner's email address to your friend and ask him to relay his address to the buyer? These units are extremely rare and hope you will understand Werner's persistent interest. His email is Werner Schönenberger <werner.schoenenberger@gmx.ch>. Thank you for your help in advance.

Bill Sequeira

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pete
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posted 08 August 2012 17:13         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Guys

I seem to have missed out on knowledge of this machine.

What was its basis of synthesis?
From what I can find on the web it sound like additive and FM, a bit like the Synclavier II.

It sounds like the extra bit that the GDS has, is the ability to make the additive act like a VCF by complex variation of the partial levels. Is this correct?

The Synclavier II had only one FM modulator algorithm where a single modulator (which was a 64 sine wave additive signal) fed one carrier (which was another 64 sine wave additive signal). Un like the DX7 that had 6 single sine only operators, but these could be interlinked as carriers of carriers of carriers or paralleled up to give just a few sines of pseudo additive synthesis.

Where did the GDS sit in this regard?

The Synclavier had dedicated piece of digital hardware and DtoA convertor for every voice (mixed in the analogue domain), so the sample rate would vary with the pitch of each voice such that aliasing could never happened.

It seems that the GDS only had two DtoAs in the whole system. Is this correct?

They say it was Z80 based, but was that just one processor for the whole sound generating engine and if so did it have a single cycle multiply co processor to help it out?

I worked out a way of using a sine table offset and add to emulate a sort of fast attenuation (multiplication) with a Z80 and I wonder if they used this technique?

Listening to the examples it also sounded like a bucket brigade chorus was included, or was this added externally?


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wsequeira
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posted 08 August 2012 17:39         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Pete - unfortunately I am not an expert in this system either, as all I am doing is helping Werner, a good friend, to locate the rest of the system - he's got the original keyboard front end and is looking for the GDS portion.

As far as I know the GDS is known for its additive synthesis capabilities, programmable digital filters, and FM. The GDS produced some very nice sounds early on that the Synergy II tried to recreate albeit in a limited form. That's the extent of my knowledge, well short of answering your questions.

Yet I was intrigued and willing to help Werner as it looked like a remarkable system that has been all but forgotten.

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