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atiller
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posted 17 July 2013 10:04         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi folks,

Quick question regarding sending a trigger at the end of a sample. I see this has been addressed in another thread, and that user's strategy was to employ ramps at sample lengths to send a trigger at a sample's end. Unfortunately this strategy will not work for me, or at least I don't think it will...

Please bear with me. To say I am a Kyma newbie would be a vast understatement.

Anyway, I am employing multiple MultiSample Sounds that read a folder of samples. I am playing through the folder of sounds using the following expression:

(1 bpm: !BPM) nextRandom abs * 32 of: #(0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31)

The current iteration of my Sound has 32 sounds in that folder.

My issue with this is that the !BPM value is not necessarily correlated to the samples themselves, i.e., it's almost certain a sample will be cut off before its end.

My question is, is there a way to trigger nextRandom (in the above expression) on the END of a sample it's playing, without actually knowing the sample length ahead of time. This way I can trigger a random sample in the folder without actually truncating any of the samples themselves.

Hope this makes sense, and thanks for your input in advance

Cheers,

Adam

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jhinton
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posted 17 July 2013 12:33         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could you use a MultiSample with an Amplitude Follower? So whenever the amplitude is zero it triggers your nextRandom instead of using bpm?

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atiller
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posted 17 July 2013 12:43         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey J,

I thought of that, but I`m not sure how effective it would be given the material of the samples. I should try it out though.

Thanks for the input!

Adam

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SSC
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posted 17 July 2013 18:32         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would one of these do the trick? (These are from http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Share/Sounds#Sampling )

http://www.symbolicsound.com/zzz/pub/Share/Sounds/randomshufflediskfileswithoutr eplacement.kym

http://www.symbolicsound.com/zzz/pub/Share/Sounds/randomlyselectplayentiresample.kym

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atiller
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posted 17 July 2013 18:36         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi SSC,

Yes, I think the second example linked is exactly what I am trying to do. Apologies, I should look through the tweaky a little closer before I start nagging you guys

I went ahead and tried to implement this with the amplitude follower, but I've hit a bit of a wall. The amplitude follower needs to follow the MultiSample output, but at the same time it needs to feed the Multisample it's output, since it is the value of the AmplitudeFollower that will trigger the next sample. I can't seem to implement that in Kyma.

Ideas? In the meantime, I'll have a look at the linked Sounds.

Thanks again!

Adam

EDIT: Ahh, I see. You've employed a script for this. Sadly my skills are nowhere near this level, haha. I would've never sussed this out. By the way, this Sound won't work on my machine. It complains about the variable "nbrFiles" never being used. But I get the general process here anyway. Thanks for the pointers!

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atiller
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posted 19 July 2013 10:08         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the record in order to do what I was speaking of I needed to use a "SoundtoGlobalController" to reroute the amplitude follower output to other things

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SSC
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posted 19 July 2013 11:51         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
By the way, this Sound won't work on my machine. It complains about the variable "nbrFiles" never being used.

In the Script, try removing nbrFiles from the list of variables (the names listed between the two vertical bars). That should get rid of the warning. We just fixed the copy that is on the tweaky so if you prefer, you could download the new copy from there.

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