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jesges
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posted 26 July 2006 12:18         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,
Interesting film from 1983, you can see JC Risset, Gerald Strang...

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w5mLHv0nNY

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaYuj38I3Xg

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEnge9e90_A


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photonal
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posted 27 July 2006 03:23         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wonderful! thanks for the post

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KX
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posted 27 July 2006 04:03         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't know there was an automatic auto-quantize in the Fairlight!
Do you where I could buy this video?

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SSC
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posted 27 July 2006 10:45         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting to reflect that in 1983 they had oscillators, envelopes, keyboards, fingerboards, live envelope following and processing, computer-controlled analog, computer-synthesis, sampling, light pens, alternative controllers, additive synthesis, physical modelling, granular synthesis, Smalltalk-80 (those last two were not shown in the film but already existed)...
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Might be interesting to reflect on what is different now...
* In that film they showed a Fairlight owned by an LA producer, an analog synth at a university, and a computer at Bell Labs. One change is that so many more people have access to those same technologies
* More universal connection to Internet (then was only Arpanet? PLATO?)
* Pretty color interfaces
* Aggregate synthesis, Tau, Cross-filter
* Graphical programming
* A hierarchical way to structure & organize a complex signal processing chain, collapsing it into a single uniform "sound object" that could be used in place of any other sound object :-)
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* The endless pursuit of smaller, faster, cheaper (e.g. note the size of the floppy disks in the film)
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Would be interested in hearing other thoughts on what has changed in electronic/computer music since the making of that film.

[btw, my favorite scene in that film is the "mad scientist" gleam in that guy's eye as he forces Bach to play faster and faster with the twist of a knob! Was that FR Moore?]

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jesges
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posted 27 July 2006 14:20         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For KX:
I dont know If it's possible to buy this film, but you can download it very easy with Safari: go to the YouTube pages, just when you start to view the video open the Activity window, scroll the items, when you see the one that is downloading double click it, check if the file is downloading in the download window. This is a .flv file you can convert it to .mp4 with the freeware iSquint. (This is a tip from internet).
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The most important thing that has changed is democracy. Technology for all the people!
Today is more easy to create electronic/computer music because you don't need to have a master in programming or electronics. I agree with the narrator when he says that the composer that work with electronic music is like a painter or a sculptor because she/he works directly with the medium: the sound. That's very important.
The time and effort that you put in battles against technical issues you loose it in creativity. That's why I like Kyma, drag an icon, write a hot and you are ready (no need to connect cables like modulars...!!).

In the film I like when Gerald Strang explains the envelope with the oscilloscope... you see the envelope and the gate signal at the same time...

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photonal
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posted 28 July 2006 05:08         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SSC:
Interesting to reflect that in 1983 they had oscillators, envelopes, keyboards, fingerboards, live envelope following and processing, computer-controlled analog, computer-synthesis, sampling, light pens, alternative controllers, additive synthesis, physical modelling, granular synthesis, Smalltalk-80 (those last two were not shown in the film but already existed)...

One issue for me, is that the rate of software development and the creation of new features rapidly puts pressure on the host cpu. The latest worst case in my studio, is the update of Ableton Live from 4 to 5 which now runs out of cpu quite often, leading to a break in the creative process.

This is also mirrored by the way in which the business of software updates has evolved. There used to be free incremental updates for Logic (in the good old Emagic days) but now Apple charges €50 per .1 increment! Thus the free Kyma updates are even more appreciated and remarkable.

I wasn't making much music when the film was made - it would be interesting to know if composing practices have changed very much for composers who straddle this technological era. (E.g. the idea of working with a light pen seems so cumbersome in comparison with a mouse or a dedicated controller.) Has the creative process become smoother through easier access to countless synthesis techniques or is it hindered by the countless possiblities of their permutations and knowing where to start or end?

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pete
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posted 28 July 2006 08:42         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm confused where in history these films lie.
On one hand there is the polyphonic sampler (fairlight) and on the other are only mono synths with no presets and the most basic of prossesor control. Where or when did the poly synths come in. I know the poly Moog was a non starter but the Yamaha's were well ahead of there time, with true polyphonic portamento etc. Something that got omitted from all poly synths ever since including the modern Yamaha's and even Kyma. I think they may have found that people could get their heads around different note allocation types and the switch note by repressing a currently playing note (to cancel and release) and playing a new one (to reallocate the same voice) while the hold (sustain) pedal was depressed, was just too confusing for most.

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Sylvain KEPLER
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posted 06 August 2006 15:21         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...any chance to go by these videos again ? Whilst I' m reading the post, as of today the links above don't work any more and the root weblink isn't operational either ;(..

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rlainhart
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posted 06 August 2006 18:49         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just tried them, and they're working for me.

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Sylvain KEPLER
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posted 08 August 2006 14:48         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes they do actually, strange the evening I tried them I had no response. Now it's fine.

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