posted 05 September 2000 13:04            

I did create a ping pong delay. I would be happy to share with the forum but the last I heard that was not possible yet.

posted 06 September 2000 12:21            

Gareth
The not so easy bit.
Now to get the signel back to the input of 'delay a' you have to use two modules
called feedback. These work as a pair ,so by placing the one who's icon points to the
left, between the 'delay b' and the output, you can use the other feedback module to reinject
the signal where ever you want. As you will want control over the level of feedback and the level of input, I suggest you put a two channel mixer module between the input and 'delay a'. Then
place the second feedback module into input 2 of this mixer. Now you have all the signals
you need, but not where you want them. As every thing so far is on the left you will need to
put a normal mixer just before the output and put a second module called a chaneller into its
input . Then feed the output of 'delay a' into the chaneller and set the parameters to channel the left signal to the right.
hope it works,
Pete Johnston.[/B][/QUOTE]

posted 06 September 2000 16:27            

Dennis musing on feedback:
IMHO, while the graphical interface (signal flow editor) COULD use some improvement, I can build any kind of signal flow I want, i.e., IT WORKS! Believe me, this is a really good thing 'cause not all of these puppies (from other manufacturers) do work. In the signal flow editor, whatever you draw will work! It might not work the way you want it too ( ) but there's a consistent signal flow from input to output with signals rarely "orphaned" and unconnected. So as much as I complain sometimes, I always try to bear this in mind.

Sometimes, I get so many (too many?) lines in a design that I have a hard time telling what is connected to what. In these cases I find the current way of indicating feedback is a graphical advantage. OTOH, it's not so intuitive.

A practical problem with using a simple backward flowing signal line for feedback is that feedbackLoopOutput takes a parameter (the delay time). You'd need a place to put/show/adjust this on the feedback signal line.

To me, the really cool thing about FeedbackLoopInput/Output is that it works ACROSS DSPs! I can process one signal so much that I max-out one processor, send it through a FeedbackLoopI/O to another card, and twist it some more! And Kyma schedules this automatically! This is incredibly powerful! So powerful, I can only explain it with sentences that end in exclamation points!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gareth Whittock:
While I'm at it, (I do love Kyma honestly), why, when you drag another device, say a granulator into a signal path does it tell you it's going to get rid of your inputs and substitute it's own? Wouldn't it be better if it asked you what you wanted to do, (like certain mixers sometimes do)? AAAAND, (last gripe for now), How about just K for kill and just spacebar for compile etc. I program with an instrument in my hand and I've nearly dropped it a couple of times, (in fact, spacebar to stop, spacebar to start, From any window) makes a lot more sense to me.

Dennis: I understand your difficulty. But I think Kyma needs to recongize a "special" key in the signal flow editor as the compile/load/run command for example. Otherwise, it couldn't tell when you want to type a space (like in a parameter field) and when you wanted to compile/load/darn-try-it-again. Maybe some other single key, like F1, could be an alternative to control-spacebar. (Does a Mac have an F1 key?)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gareth Whittock: Sorry to come over all negative but it's surprising how simple little things are amplified when you spend many hours doing it.

posted 07 September 2000 02:20            

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Originally posted by dennis:
To me, the really cool thing about FeedbackLoopInput/Output is that it works ACROSS DSPs! I can process one signal so much that I max-out one processor, send it through a FeedbackLoopI/O to another card, and twist it some more! And Kyma schedules this automatically! This is incredibly powerful! So powerful, I can only explain it with sentences that end in exclamation points!

Dennis: I understand your difficulty. But I think Kyma needs to recongize a "special" key in the signal flow editor as the compile/load/run command for example. Otherwise, it couldn't tell when you want to type a space (like in a parameter field) and when you wanted to compile/load/darn-try-it-again. Maybe some other single key, like F1, could be an alternative to control-spacebar. (Does a Mac have an F1 key?)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gareth Whittock: Sorry to come over all negative but it's surprising how simple little things are amplified when you spend many hours doing it.

Dennis: I know what you mean! And we do spend HOURS doing Kyma! Fortunately, I feel Carla and Kurt really pay attention to our suggestions/concerns. After all, they've spent many, many more hours hitting control-spacebar that we have![/B]

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