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bar|none
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posted 12 April 2010 21:02         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is so cool I needed to post it. expertsleepers makes the software plugin silent way to control modular syths via cv going out and now in your audio interface.

Now they also have a CV to OSC module. Throw it into your DAW, it discovers Kyma via OSCBonjour automatically. Edit the OSC path to control a Kyma parameter and Voila! Your modular is now controlling Kyma via control voltages.

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posted 13 April 2010 19:24         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.motu.com/products/software/volta

The above may be of interest to sir.

I have been expanding your patch with replication and notch filters. I am enjoying it immensely as the patch is simple and low on dsp overhead...

I will upload once I get around my current issue....

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posted 13 April 2010 20:39         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool thx. I'd love to see that patch come back to me with some nice mods.

I do know of Volta except it only controls the modular via cv, it can't let cv control your OSC devices. Silent Way is basically a more full featured Volta and produced by a one man small company expertsleepers.

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ChristianSchloesser
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posted 18 April 2010 17:29         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
years ago i discovered, that with Reaktor it is very easily to create midi/OSC -> CV and/or CV -> OSC/midi.

so i use reaktor instead of volta or silent way.

for all my modules/synths i created corresponding patches with additional features or i use an external analog LFO to control addition digital oscillators in reaktor with are again controlling other analog modules.... (for example generate FM filter CV for a SSM filterchip etc..)

This setup makes it possible for me to automate my analog stuff and to control fx or plugins from external analog components and record everything together within my DAW (Motu DP 7)...

I think CV -> to controllers IS possible direct within kyma too ... i did not try it yet. but i assume there is no need for an extra plugin to control kyma with an analog modular, external synth or sequencer ;-)

My experience is that it just depends on the audio interface which should be able to handle dc on the inputs and outputs...

I use 2 additional motu 828 FW interfaces just for CV input/output on my mac + reaktor(as AU in DP7) setup ... which works fine.

all the best
chris

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posted 18 April 2010 21:43         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doing pitch calibrated stuff with Reactor too? Seems like the harder thing to do with CV.

I think DC on the inputs is pretty rare. Were you able to do this directly? It definitely doesn't work properly with my MOTU. It reads and first then fades. It works if the LFO period is sufficiently short though. The expertsleepers trick of sending a constant audio signal to a VCA then use the cv you want to read to modulate the VCA, then read the resulting audio. That could be read via Kyma quite easily. Not sure if you saw the video of doing this. Bringing vM2 and the Lemur into the mix is was nice.
http://www.vimeo.com/10943340

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ChristianSchloesser
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posted 19 April 2010 08:53         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry. I forgot that i moded the 828s INPUTS so that they can handle dc correct...(as i remember correct it was very easy and there was a list of the part(s) to be replaced on the net.
i think on a maxmsp forum ... but i can t find it now)

Anyway there are cheap interfaces which have the right capacitors and op-amps and can handle DC out of the box... i think those from EMU do it ...but they have only PC drivers and not so many inputs...shame on creative labs...no more great ensoniq or emu products just consumer sh.t.

You are right ... a big part was to construct the macros for calibrating. If i remember correct i spend more then one weekend on it... but it works on push of a button. It works with any kind of control voltage. like silent way i "probe" the correct offsets and curves and write them to tables. So it even works with old yamaha cs30 , korg ms 20 and a buchla 200e and the combination of them!

The big advantage over Silent Way or Volta is nowadays for me that i can use all my nice Ensembles for Laptop performances and change them to use "real" filters, OSCs etc. on demand in the studio.
...and of course either silent way nor volta where available years ago!

This brings me to the point to fire up my old synths once again and try kyma with CV
...damn i should spend more time on my music ;-)...

all the best
chris


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posted 19 April 2010 14:58         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Christian,
Wow that's really cool. Amazing that you were doing this before Volta and Silent Way.

Do you happen to have a link to the site on modding your 828 to make the inputs accept DC? I's be interested. Right now it uses a VCA per input channel and is more complex than needed. If the input could read DC directly, that would be amazing.

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CharlieNorton
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posted 22 April 2010 19:12         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a great idea Chris!
Obviously I would love to try controlling my Analogue Systems rig from the kyma and back again...
If you managed to get that going, You would be elevated to a godlike status.

Bar|None, Great video, great to see all the elements talking to each other.

Charlie

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ChristianSchloesser
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posted 23 April 2010 22:04         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Keep in mind there is latency involved! I did not have the time to try it with my new Kyma setup ... but input/output via every AD/DA conversion obviously can not compete with any analog modular!
I use my modulars every day with my self made Reaktor setup.. and it sounds cool... but it is NOT my advise ... it has a lot of potential but latency ...

promised ... as soon i will have the time i will try to port it to kyma...

But remember Kyma sounds so great !!! .. if there would be a good and musical acceptable .... for example "Sallen–Key filter" like on old yamahas or korgs as an emulation within kyma...whoo ... i would think about abandon my analog stuff without a blink of an eye at all...


all the best
chris

p.s.: ever used a buchla? it is the greatest "hybrid" synth i ever used!

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