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John Dunn
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posted 04 September 2000 08:25         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know of a digital audio converter that will convert the 4 or 8 Capy 320 digital outputs to ADAT lightpipe format? I don't want to buy a digital mixer for zillions, I just want to get the digital outputs into my computer as discrete channels.

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acrylic
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posted 04 September 2000 18:34         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well i am thinking that the AUDI/o aes8 from sonorus will do what you are wanting. After observing the list price on the box i would have to say it might be more cost effective to just get a yamaha o1/v with a aes card.
it seems that i have seen other boxes that do this that are more cost effective.
hope this helped. oh also i have seen standalone lightpipe converters that go on the board i assume pre d/a. i wonder how hard a capy hack to implement light pipe would be.

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John Dunn
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posted 05 September 2000 14:26         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, as far as I can tell, Sonorus products all have analog inputs, not digital AES/IBU. That is the problem I have been running in to - I can't find anyone who has a converter to go from 8 channels of AES digital to an 8 channel ADAT lightpipe. They must be out there, but I have not seen them. Any other pointers would be most welcome.

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dgkiers
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posted 05 September 2000 15:16         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
3 options I know of:
-SPIRIT RW Series (4 pairs AES/EBU<->T/DIF), www.digital328.com
-TASCAM IF-4-E8
-Z-systems digital detangler z-8.8

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dgkiers
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posted 05 September 2000 15:21         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
T/DIF...Lightpipe...mixup, right?
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Originally posted by dgkiers:
3 options I know of:
-SPIRIT RW Series (4 pairs AES/EBU<->T/DIF), www.digital328.com
-TASCAM IF-4-E8
-Z-systems digital detangler z-8.8


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John Dunn
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posted 05 September 2000 18:54         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your suggestions. Here is what I have found out so far:

Sprite - all I could find is info on the mixing console. If they have a converter, I can't find it.

Tascam - they convert to their T/DIF format. Fine if you have a T/DIF interface but I already have an ADAT lightpipe interface - that is pretty much the standard these days anyway. T/DIF to ADAT conversion is possible, but it starts to get kludgy and expensive.

Z-systems digital detangler: This looks good, except for one thing - it is quite pricy. $1500. Here are url's for the Z-system's product page (the ADAT one is toward the bottom of the page): http://www.z-sys.com/pp_detm.html#z8

...and for the product page at Sweetwater sound: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/results.tpl?action=full&cart=30510234381093204&--eqskudatarq=8.8a&Criteria=Results

Now, anyone know of one that could be had without breaking the Capybara upgrade budget?

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JohnCowan
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posted 06 September 2000 09:23         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi John,

I can think of two options. One is the S.A.M. from Midiman (http://www.midiman.net/m-audio/product.htm). It is SPDIF to ADAT but that would still work with the Capy. The other option is the 308 interface from MOTU (8 channels each of AES, SPDIF optical and coaxial). I don't know if you can get their PCI card with it but you might check with dealers.

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John Dunn
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posted 06 September 2000 10:57         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the information on the SAM and the MOTU 808. Unfortunately, SAM is an 8 to 2 mixer, it will not go from 8 to 8. And while the 808 has 8 channels of Toslink, it does not seeem to have an ADAT lightpipe. Same physical connectors, different digital signal. Too bad, it looks really cool with all those blinky lights.

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JohnCowan
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posted 07 September 2000 10:44         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi again John,

I knew that there was another device lurking in the back of my mind of the kind that you are wanting. It is the Sound Pal Adat-3 (http://www.gpsys.com/pages/adat3.html). Unfortunately, they are not distributed through the regular commercial channels so the price may be high.

Could you explain why you feel you need 8-channels of Kyma generated/processed audio going into, I presume, an multi-track audio program? Certainly you could paste in Kyma-recorded tracks without much effort. I am just curious and am always looking to improve my studio methods.

John Cowan

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John Dunn
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posted 07 September 2000 13:16         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, John. Sound Pal Adat-3 is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for including the URL - that would have been a tough one to find. As you guessed, it is quite pricy - over $2k for both adat to aes and aes to adat. Ouch.

I currently have the retro fitted Capy 66 with the 320 cards, but with only stereo i/o. I would like to get 8 channels of digital i/o, so I can communicate with the computer as 8 discrete channels, not as an already blended stereo mix. Among other things, it would be really great to be able to use Kyma as an ultra effects processor as well as the super synth it is.

Having 8 discrete AES i/o channels might work with some digital mixers, and of course the 4-8 analog outs are great for live performance; but without a lightpipe interface it is pretty useless for a computer environment.

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pete
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posted 07 September 2000 15:04         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi John

I think there is a cheaper solution. but it is a two stage system and still not that cheap.
First you use the Tascam interface as mentioned by dgkiers, to go too and from aes and tdif (8 channels).Then you use the MOTU 2408 (not the core system) as a stand alone to go too and from tdif and adat lightpipe (8 channels).I think the two together will be cheaper than $2000 but I’m English and don’t know how much $2000 is worth. This will give you many other combinations of format convertion for the next peace of gear you choose to but.

I didn’t understand how you intended to use it though because the cappy 66 retro only has two ins and outs, be it digital or analogue.
Was it so that you could use the other six channels for something else or was it looking towards upgrading to a cappy 320 ??

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John Dunn
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posted 07 September 2000 21:44         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Pete. Thanks for the Tascam/MOTU idea. More of a kludge than I would like, but maybe that is the best there is just now.

...I was putting together a budget to upgrade the faux 320 to a real one - but my main justification would be to have the digital outs (a few more cards wouldn't hurt, but that is not the pressing need just now). It looks like there is no good solution to it just now, so I'll drop the idea for the time being.

BTW, $2000 is about £1400. There's this great currency exchange web site at: http://www.oanda.com/

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JohnCowan
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posted 10 September 2000 17:55         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
John Dunn,

One last thought about what you are trying to do with hardware. How about the Tascam IF-AE8 and a Mixtreme card? That would be 8 channels of AES/EBU I/O plus word clock, DSP mixing and it could be gotten for less than $800 without much trouble. Of course, the Mixtreme is for PC only. I would go this way if I need a setup now. In the future, maybe there will a Capy ADAT expansion interface!

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