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trotz
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posted 05 November 2009 14:47         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello!

I wonder if you have considered adding the option of exporting as interleaved multichannel files. That would save a lot of time for editing and mixing in sorround outside Kyma.

My intention is to create sounds to be later edited, processed and mixed in a DAW such as Cubase or Logic. I can work with multiple mono files, but interleaved multichannel is so much practical !!!

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SSC
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posted 05 November 2009 16:46         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good idea. We'll look into that...

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trotz
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posted 11 November 2009 11:06         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks!

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Tom Heuzenroeder
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posted 14 November 2009 05:36         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If this is something to be developed down the track, it would be handy to have the option of specifying how the channels get bundled into the poly audio file or a BWF.

Eg, in a 5.1 config, a user could choose if it would be:
L,C,R,Ls,Rs,Lfe OR
L,R,C,Lfe,Ls,Rs

...since both conventions exist.

Anyway, just a thought

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photonal
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posted 16 November 2009 04:33         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a question for those working with surround mixing.

How much of the 'surroundness' is lost if listening to a surround mix on a stereo setup? (or headphones?).

Conversely, anyone creating surround mixes without a surround setup? (I'm thinking in terms of a binaural headphone mix relating to a surround 5.1 mix.)

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trotz
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posted 16 November 2009 12:54         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
photonal...

In my experience, I'd say that when downmixing a surround mix to stereo the following "might" happen:

a) the downmixed version sounds less compressed than a regular stereo mix because usually much less compression is used in surround mixes. Maybe because of technical reasons (it's easier to stay focused on one sound in mucltichannel mixes, thus avoiding the need to "flatten" it to make it stand against the rest of the mix) or esthetical (the "cliché" of compressing the master bus to death has not yet been adopted by surround producers, hopefully because "they care").

b) the LFE channel is a lot of fun... Not only for bass management, but also used as a source of sound on its own. You can only get bass management on a 2.0 mix.

c) After realizing how a center speaker can substitute a phantom image, you find that hard centered instruments in two channel stereo mixes sound kind of hollow. There is a technical explanation to this related to psychoacoustics and how phantom images are not flat and have some EQ dips.

d) And of course you lose the fun of multichannel phase-uncorrelated fx, such as reverbs, etc...

I have not tried with proper binaural recordings, ideally binaural mixes would be modelled after the shape of one's very own pinna. I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts on Kyma and binaural production.

I'm working hard trying to learn Kyma, specially in surround. Is anyone here working with a 5.1 ITU 775 setup (L,R,C,Sw,Ls,Rs)? I'd like to share some experiences on panning and the surround sounds in Kyma's Library when using this 5.1 format.

Regards,

Pere

[This message has been edited by trotz (edited 16 November 2009).]

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trotz
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posted 16 November 2009 12:56         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tom...

Maybe the channel order could use the same speaker placement presets?

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posted 17 November 2009 12:32         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a Sound I made for pinna-based binaural panning and mix-down: Binaural360. (For best results, please listen over headphones).

There are some fun 360 degree panning and vertical (overhead) panning examples.

To mix down a multichannel Timeline to a binaural mix: set the Speaker Placement in the Preferences to be a kind of 'rotated quad' with a speaker directly in front, directly behind, hard left, and hard right. Record your Timeline (saving it into four files, Front, Left, Right, Rear). Feed the disk tracks into the 'Binaural Mix Down from Quad' (substituting the disk players or GenericSources for the Constants in that Sound). Then record 'Binaural Mix Down from Quad' to disk as a stereo file.

(I used this for mixing down Cyclonic, which depends on 360 degree panning for the tornado-effects, for a CD ).

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