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cristian_vogel
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posted 20 July 2006 04:41         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
.. i enjoy reading 'The Computer Music Tutorial' by Curtis Roads , its an endless source of ideas and explanations to help me with Kyma ..

But its odd how Curtis doesn't seem to acknowledge Kyma as music language or music workstation ... He references a couple of articles written by Carla Scarletti , so he must have known about it - well , i think its wrong of him to have missed out an expert system that has been such a cutting edge tool ( and continues to be ) since the 80s.


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Matteo Milani
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posted 20 July 2006 07:44         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Cristian, I have read it, too and I agree with you about it as a source of fresh ideas for new Sounds. I met him in Milan (October 2005), together with Federico Placidi for a Xenakis convention. I'm very disappointed about his words, he was promoting only his books and dvd releases. Now he's a SuperCollider power user and actually he's married with native sound composition and processing.
Best,

MM

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Phi Curtis
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posted 20 July 2006 12:40         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's my guess:

He works in academia, and for obvious reasons computer music departments like inexpensive or free systems (Max/MSP being an exception, though I supose they give good academic discounts).

Some people also have a philosophical / political preference for freeware and open systems (though of course you can always get a Kyma SDK if you are so inclined) as well. I think PD may have been partially developed as an alternative to Max/MSP for this reason (maybe also wanting to start again from the ground up?).

Finally, artist/hackers also are usually broke, so tend to go for what's free. That said, there's a lot to be said for paying for a solution like Kyma (or Max)- real support and dedicated developers being one of them.

Kyma seems to be popular with people who are working in postproduction or music production and just want to get the work done - and I personally feel like I can get things programmed much faster than I could with Max or SuperCollider (though I don't know if I would feel that way if I knew those systems better...)

Phil

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Fake Person
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posted 20 July 2006 15:26         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still that doesn't explain the omission from Table 17.3 on pg 807-808, all of which were DSP hardware-based languages, many of them commercially-developed (not open source) and extremely expensive.

On a more positive note, have you read Joel Chadabe's "Electric Sound: the Past and Promise of Electronic Music"?

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Phi Curtis
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posted 20 July 2006 15:39         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Fake Person:
Still that doesn't explain the omission from Table 17.3 on pg 807-808, all of which were DSP hardware-based languages, many of them commercially-developed (not open source) and extremely expensive.

You've got a point there. It is an encyclopedic book, and should cover it at the very least in passing...

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On a more positive note, have you read Joel Chadabe's "Electric Sound: the Past and Promise of Electronic Music"?[/B]

No - sounds intersting. Does it talk about Kyma?

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RXB
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posted 22 July 2006 07:12         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Does it talk about Kyma?"

Yes, it does. The strength of the book is its coverage of the development of electronic music technology. That is also its weakness, since, after the "classic" period of the 1950's and '60's, little is said about the actual music that the composers and their technology produce.

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