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SSC
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posted 16 March 2005 13:32         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We received an angry email regarding the delay in releasing the core audio drivers (we are frustrated about this too!) so we thought some of you might be interested in understanding more about the nature of the project.

Most of the devices out there that work with 1394 are A/D/A converters (some with MIDI).
For A/D/A converters with MIDI, you can buy chipsets that implement all of the required functions (no software development is required). These chipsets are designed to hook up directly to converters. However, we did not want to require people to buy another box with one of these chipsets in it and to have to modify their Capybaras to accept the signals from that extra box. So instead we have chosen to modify the firmware in the Flame (Kyma FireWire interface). It has been difficult to get information from the computer manufacturers on exactly what they expect/require for streaming audio, in part because it is a moving target (with the specifications, the drivers, and the operating systems evolving rapidly and being rewritten often). In spite of that (and with the help of a couple of really helpful guys at Apple and Microsoft) we have made significant progress recently on both Mac and PC platforms (we will support both and we do not want to release one before the other).

Another thing to be aware of is that some of the manufacturers who advertise FireWire connectivity have chosen not to follow the 1394 AV/C standard. They are making devices that work over FW but are not compatible with other devices on the FW network.

Anyway, for those of you eager to start using the promised firmware, we just wanted to assure you that the project is a top priority right now and we are making progress.

Thanks for your interest in the project!

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keph
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posted 16 March 2005 17:51         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just want to say thanks for working on this. to me it is great feature and hopefully will provide yet another layer of flexiblity to my setup, but in the end, it doesn't subtract from the greatness that is kyma nor from the years of value and pleasure I've received from working with kyma.

hopefully with 10.4 coming next month, things are getting easier on the core audio side and not harder.

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KX
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posted 17 March 2005 00:16         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think RME Fireface release was delayed for the same reason:
they chose to start from scratch rather than use generic chipset.

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yenorom
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posted 17 March 2005 05:06         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you clear something up for me, I'm not entirely sure what it is you are doing with core audio.

Will this change enable host apps like logic pro to be able to send and recieve audio from the capybara like a plug in? Or is it for apps to use the capybara as an audio interface? Personaly I'm hoping its the 1st option.

[This message has been edited by yenorom (edited 17 March 2005).]

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photonal
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posted 22 March 2005 17:19         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally, I hope it will be both....

With the first I can integrate Kyma better into my music/sound cooking environment and with the second I can use the Capybara as my audio I/O too.

With this posting I also send some good hacking karma (sorry I meant programming methodology

Andrew

[This message has been edited by photonal (edited 22 March 2005).]

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soulyogi
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posted 04 April 2005 17:47         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am still sitting here with a smile on my face,
waiting patiently!

I so long for this core audio/asio magic to happen.

/j

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rafe
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posted 14 April 2005 20:19         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i am curious if your efforts on core audio drivers are getting easier under 10.4 or if core audio programming has changed dramatically from panther?

I don't mean to pester you but if the core audio has changed alot under tiger (as i have heard some speculation that it has) then your "target is still moving" alot. i am needing a new audio i/o but naturally would prefer to invest in more capy power than a soon to be redundant interface , waiting with baited breath!!!!

thanks

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soulyogi
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posted 02 December 2006 17:16         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have ordered a Macbook pro. I can't wait anymore.


/Jonas switching to Mac.

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cristian_vogel
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posted 03 December 2006 08:07         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
good news to hear that you are taking the time to make sure the CoreAudio integration is done properly, so that it actually works reliably in these very long studio mix and sound design sessions...

SSC, please do not overlook the fact that some of us have standalone digital clocks to clock all digital devices, so if the Capy does become a core-audio interface one day, it should be able to slave to an external clock, without any complaints!

good luck with the development

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Eric Payrot
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posted 19 December 2006 12:09         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
any news about the PC version ? The public beta release for Kyma AV/C was announcing "These will be supported soon (just not in this release)" for Windows computers. This was one year ago ...

I'd be interested to know if that's still in the plans and what the plan would be(obviously core audio isn't available on PCs)

a rewire interface would make a lot of sense to integrate Kyma within modern daws such as Ableton Live.

thanks
Eric

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SSC
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posted 19 December 2006 13:47         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are waiting for a bug fix that is supposed to be included with Service Pack 1 of Vista.

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Eric Payrot
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posted 20 December 2006 06:42         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for the reply. Glad to see you're still working on it, we'll just have to be more patient :-)

will it also include midi i/o, along with audio ?

Eric

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CreepJoint
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posted 21 December 2006 02:53         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"We are waiting for a bug fix that is supposed to be included with Service Pack 1 of Vista."

I take it this means it will only work with Vista then, if so thats a real disappointment as I ( and Im sure others) dont plan to update to vista for along time, or at all if necessary .

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tuscland
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posted 21 December 2006 08:47         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

I understand your disappointment, I am the kind of person always willing to use the cutting edge technology. But it's not like you could not play any music at all without this piece of software.

Still, I find the most reliable way of making components communicate each other is using the good old cables (analogic or digital). Without the the audio expansion card you have 4 channels of I/O instead of the 6 channels you could get with the ASIO or CoreAudio driver.

Think of Kyma another [musical] instrument, not a plugin!

Best Regards,
Camille

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