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hidden variable Member	posted 04 April 2003 12:40 Don't know if anyone here has read about this synth, but it seems to use resynthesis as a means of sound creation. It must be possible to create a simular design in kyma. Maybe some guru's can post some suggestions. IP: Logged
EckardVossas Member	posted 06 April 2003 16:28 I already tried this synth in a store. But an answer is difficult (not only because I'm neither a Neuron expert nor yet a Kyma guru). From the perspective of the potential sound results, in my opinion Kyma is able to produce similar sounds (and quite more than a Neuron). But there are two basic differences: 1) Neuron is the symbiosis of a special kind of resynthesis COMBINED with an innovative hardware user interface using interesting hardware controllers. You can't think the one without the other. This isn't given by Kyma. The Neuron hardware/software combination makes playing this instrument very intuitive, but narrows on the other hand sound transformation, because the parameters, You may manipulate by the controllers' surface, are fixed and pre-selected by the synth designers. 2) Algorithmically, the analysis as the first step of resynthesis in Neuron is done by means of so-called "neuronal nets" (hence the name). The analysis technics of Kyma (as far as I've understood) are others (FFT based ?). Neuron tries to mimic the process of human hearing, distilling transformation parameters from this. Kyma makes a spectrum analysis, using principles of musical physics (SSC: hope I don't err). One last comment: comparing the "factory presets" of Neuron to Kyma, I am convinced that the sound quality and spectrum of potential sound events of Kyma are far more attractive, appealing than those of Neuron (beginning with the outstanding feature of Kyma to transform external sounds in a magnificent manner). To tell the truth: the theoretic concept of Neuron in mind the factory presets sound a little bit disappointing ... The potential of sound mangling with Kyma is bigger. IP: Logged
Edmund Member	posted 08 April 2003 18:29 I listened to some of the online demos. Sonically sounded grainy to me. Not high fidelity at all. In person may be a different matter. IP: Logged
armand Member	posted 13 April 2003 12:28 The technique that the Neuron uses, has it anything to do with the Gabor Wavelets what David McClain mentioned in a topic? IP: Logged
torvald Member	posted 19 April 2003 00:43 Saw the Neuron at this past NAMM show in Los Angeles. What I heard it was cool but nothing too astounding, it was built rather flimsy and from what I understand was just a windows PC running software under the hood. The price was in the $4000 range if I remember correctly. Doesn't make since these days to pay so much for a synth. IP: Logged
Sylvain KEPLER Member	posted 22 August 2004 07:14 HI All, I use the Neuron together with Kyma. I definitely don't agree with what I heard around here. It' s not just a PC under the hood (very well designed User's interface , controllers, philosophy of use etc) , the sounds are all comparable to kyma sounds in the area of morphings and other fx of this kind. The best way to 'emulate' Neuron 's sounds on kyma would be using the RE tools : The NEURON's sphere and scape parameters are a kind of Resonator/Excitating signal combinations. But the most difficult task would reside in emulating the Blender since it has about 10 various configuration. I tried that on kyma, and even using 10 DSPs is a limitation to this ( I could only have 3-4 voices polyphony doing this in Kyma + 10 Dsps). I also doubt that a fully expanded kyma would be a able to process such equivalent structure : Considering the slicer, filters, delays, reverbs, shapers, surround...without forgetting the Setup mode (4 parts). Also rather than saying the sound is too 'grainy', I would rather say the Neuron uses a kind or 'particule' synthesis, so in another way, I would rather say the Neuron's sounds are 'particul-ar'... Using Neuron is rather a venture through the sounds than sound architecture which is possible in Kyma. I got Kyma and Neuron because it was like associating science and poestry. I think Kyma and Neuron are two different beasts but which are the best friends in my opinion, So I went for the two and I don't regret it ! I some want further info or advice, feel free to contact me ! IP: Logged
Sylvain KEPLER Member	posted 22 August 2004 07:29 I 've read another time the posts around here about the Neuron. As a conclusion, I would dare to say : do not get mixed up with the words 'potential' and 'results'. Neuron has been designed such you can get astonishing sonic results though a couple of tweaks in a minute while you would require spending two weeks working on a Kyma sound. It's not the same philosophy. Choose between 1/Immediate and spectacular results "but" stable/static/constant synthesis structure = NEURON 2/Deeply tought sound structures / High Creative Potential which requires some work/time investment to reach your target = KYMA Again Neuron's sound aren't low fi quality. One is using building blocks and some kind of wavelet transform, whether the other one (kyma) is mostly a discrete FFT oriented tool. IP: Logged
sacher Member	posted 28 May 2013 02:24 Hi! maybe of some interest ... http://www.jrrshop.com/hartmann-neuronvs bw Ss IP: Logged

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