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johannes
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posted 25 November 2014 04:54         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

specShiftv1.kym

 
hello,

maybe a obvious thing:

i just made some experiments with spectral shifting and stumbled over this: when i try to multiply the right leg by a value greater than 1, the signal (before feeding it into the product module) seems to be clipped at 1.
(i append a simpified patch)

why is it ?
how can i shift the spectrum to values greater than the original pitch ?

thanks for your help,
johannes

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gustl
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posted 25 November 2014 07:36         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

specShiftv2.kym

 
Hi Johannes,

It's not that obvious, I had the same problem but luckily Pete helped me out

You can't have values higher than -1,1 between modules. But you can work around this: In your constant use 0.25 + !Shift, then use a gain module after the product to multiply it by 4. This way you first multiply the freqs by 0.25 + !Shift and multiply them by 4 afterwards. When !Shift is 0 you get your original frequencies, higher values shift up, lower values shift down.
I've attached the Sound. Hope it helps!

Best,
Gustl

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cristian_vogel
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posted 02 December 2014 04:51         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can also use default*!shift in the Frequency scale field of the SpectrumInRam, which will scale the base frequency of the partials with no limitations

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johannes
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posted 03 December 2014 03:45         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for the hints, i like to shift the partials individually using a transfer function.
actually there is already a sound somewhere in the kyma library that works like grm's freqwarp plugin ( using xy panel for the frequency-mapping).

cant find the sound. can anybody point me to the sound in the lib?

thanks, johannes

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johannes
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posted 05 December 2014 04:18         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok, i found the sound. its called "warp pitches in spectrum" and can be found in the spectral processing- analyzed folder (in the kyma sound lib).

well, iam not sure if i fully understand how the inputOutputCharacteristic module i.e. the compression curve effects the partials here.
from what i hear, the partials are only effected by the right half of the curve.
what exactly does the left half of the compression curve?

thanks for help,
johannes

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SSC
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posted 05 December 2014 08:45         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are the values of the Inputs in the InputOutputCharacteristic? Are the first ones negative?

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johannes
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posted 05 December 2014 09:08         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i use the original numbers from the "warp pitches in spectrum" sound.
so yes, in both inputoutputcharacteristic modules the first number of the input is a -1.

btw. i dont know if this is by intention: in the upper part of the sound the ramp ranges from 0 to 1 (while the name of the oscillator suggest its a fullramp)

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gustl
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posted 07 December 2014 02:54         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't opened the Sound yet, but from what I've read I think the left (negative) part of the curve is warping the negative frequency values. Since there are none, it doesn't change anything..
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G

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