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Petri_Alanko
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posted 05 February 2009 07:25         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, I've encountered a few funny quirks with my brand new Paca's Tau editor - converting samples and opening PSI files takes an enormous amount of time (15-20 or so) and play/cmd-P requires about 5-6 minutes of time.

Original samples used for the PSI files were about 14 seconds long and stereo (spiritcatcher and an underwater recording, i.e. lots of info). Obviously, there are limiting factors concerning the conversion etc., but what have you, other Kyma users, been able to do? Is such behaviour normal to Kyma? Or am I just too eager to wait for the conversion to be completed?

(Memory Use is orange, after pressing Recycle it eases a bit, turning green. Probably it's just due to a huge amount of parameters.)

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posted 05 February 2009 08:15         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What frequency range did you use for the analyses?

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Petri_Alanko
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posted 06 February 2009 03:07         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dreamcatcher: Range 202-696 Hz, threshold 1593
underwater: Range 500-2224 Hz, threshold 3598

Those numbers were automatically selected by Kyma and I didn't dare change them. Should've done something in a different manner?

EDIT: I just truncated the underwater sample and re-analyzed it, obviously the previous slugginess was due to an enormous amount of data. Hmm.

EDIT2: ...also, I noticed that after saving the Tau model/sound and selecting Galleries->cross SynthesisSounds->Swap Vocoder Input and Sidechain Morph causes Kyma to halt. It's been compiling now for about 15 minutes... even with a truncated and singlechannel spiritcatcher/underwater Tau model. :-) I know, I'm a newborn lamb running into electric fences, but had to ask.

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posted 06 February 2009 08:33         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suspect that the 2224 hz upper limit on the range is at least part of what is slowing it down. A 500-2224 range is more than 4 octaves so if you can hear that the fundamental frequency does not really change by 4 octaves, you could try reanalyzing with a smaller range, like 500-600.

I usually look at the frequency envelope after the first analysis to check for places where it seems to jump or down by an octave. By hovering the mouse over those points, you can read the frequency and make a guess that the real frequency probably is an octave down (or up) from the read out.

Also, if the original samples are not harmonic (noisy or without a 'singable' pitch) the automatic range that the Tau gives you could reflect the uncertainty of pitch. The TAU works best on harmonic samples; you can still play around with nonharmonic samples, but you have to experiment with what to use as the fundamental pitch estimate.

When you have a choice between setting the fundamental frequency estimate lower or higher, it's better to choose lower.

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Petri_Alanko
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posted 07 February 2009 13:55         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That did the trick, thanks!

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