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David McClain Member |
posted 26 October 2000 17:14
 
Hi, I am curious about what kind of audio editing systems you pro's out there use. I have found the Fairlight MFX3.48, and information about it is quite scarce. It feels like the going price is about $25-30K. Other systems I have looked at include the Otari Radar, Mackie HDR24, and ProTools MixPlus. These all look like they run in the $5-10K category. Personally, I use a PC with an E-mu APS card and CoolEdit/Pro. (Really backwoods in comparison!). But I am interested in better systems... Any advice to offer? Cheers, - DM IP: Logged |
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pete Member |
posted 12 November 2000 16:29
If your talking about a powerfull workhorses that we use in sessions ,we at the tape gallery use the Synclavier with DtoD. This may seem out of date and may be missing some of the features of the newer systems, but the tight integration of hard disc recorder and sampler (all in the same sequencer) is still not found on other systems. Ask Fairlight (who should know something about samples) about integrating their system with a sampler and they suggest buying an Akia and midi keyboard. Also the hardware data entry system (real tactile buttons and Knob) is still unparalled. But if you are talking about an editor for prepairing sample files for Kyma, then I use Sound Edit 16 from macro media. It is so easy and fast to use its hard to see how so many other systems make it such hard work. It produces AIFFs and WAVs and when you cut and paste it realy does a cut and a paste. Many other systems are proud of their use of nondestructive editing, but thats no good if you want a single edited soundfile as the end result. IP: Logged |
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David McClain Member |
posted 13 November 2000 10:25
Thanks Pete! But actually, I was asking about full session recording and editing systems. I'm am looking for something to produce entire compositions on, using any number of individual tracks and sound segments. I got an answer back from Fairlight about their system. Configurations range from $27K to $45K. Looks like I'll have to wait for a rich uncle to pass away before I can consider that one. ProTools has an almost legendary reputation, and I am looking into that one as well. The Mackie recorder also looks interesting, as does the Otari Radar. I also hear good things about Steinberg's Nuendo system. For producing the sample fragments I can use CoolEdit (I'm on a PC and the MacroMedia stuff only seems to run on a Mac). Cheers, - DM IP: Logged |
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Cliff White Member |
posted 13 November 2000 13:51
I considered the Pro Tools system which priced at 10K; I bought the Pro Tools Digi001 for $900. What a deal!! I run this on a MAC G4 with 256MB RAM. I'm able to use the Kyma system and ProTools at the same time. The Pro Tools system is effortless; I had enough left over to buy a decent microphone, guitar, POD Pro...... It will track 24 tracks simultaneously (24 bit 44.1K) which is plenty. IP: Logged |
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pete Member |
posted 13 November 2000 14:39
If you are talking about a system that you can compose on, then midi and hard disc in the same sequence would be a big bonus I would have thought. In my home setup I use a mac G4 running cubase , a MOTU 2408 with 8 digital channels and 8 analogue channels going to a Yamaha O1V, and 2 channels of s/pdif going ,to the capy 66. I'm not a great fan of pro tools (although I'm in the minority) as cubase were pushing the boundries of midi sequencing when I was just out of nappies, (dypers for you American types) and Digi Design have only just notiiced that midi is there. I love my home setup and I can have loads of plugins running at the same time, and most of the time I can keep every thing in the digital domain (which once again puts me in the minority). Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think that plugins in cubase are normaly cheaper than the same plugins for protools. I'm sure the system would work just as well with a PC instead of a mac and if the new stenberg is the same as cubase but better , then it can't be bad. I must admit though, I haven't used my studio it in a pro session with a demanding client breathing down my neck. But often its the not so famous systems that quietly overtake the others and it takes some time before people notice. Digital Performer from MOTU seems to be a but like this but I don't want to look into it to much as I might upset myself when I find out just how good it is. One other thing to think about is all the noises being made in some other topics in this forum , namely KYMA and ASIO. I don't know much about this but if the idea is to use the cappy320 as a multi channel I/O for ASIO based hard disc systems, then remember that cubase can only talk to one ASIO device at a time, and any other interface would become redundent. PJ IP: Logged |
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pete Member |
posted 16 November 2000 05:14
hi folks I've just discoverd that digidesign are giving away a free version of protools which uses the computers prossesor and not there DSP cards. It is downloadable from their web site http://www.digidesign.com I think its only for macs though. Anyway maybe I'll change my mind about pro tools after trying it , but thats why they are giving it away I guess. I think it is very popular so down load times will be large. Someone here took 5 hours to download it, and we are on a super fast conection PJ IP: Logged |
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Peter Flamman Member |
posted 17 November 2000 13:56
It seem that pro-tools have been improved a lot since I owned it. It was version 1.0 then. Because I wanted a system where I could realy edit audio on I changed to Augan OMX. The system then had the advantage of working on optical disks. The system Is now rewritten for linux and the hardware is nearly shipping. It would start approx at $ 14.000 for 24 in&out&tracks en $ 20000 for 48 in/out&tracks including linux computer and 48 tr remote(all at 24 bits 48/96khz. I love the way it works on editing dialog, I always feel that protools editors edit more simple then I do because (I guess) you can not realy quickly edit without losing sync of all the audio following the audio you are working on. Another thing I like is that when I edit I hardly look at the screen because scrubbing is so natural that I make audio selection based on what I hear and not on looking at a wave form ( although it is there when I need it ) Another plus is that fades are not rendered but are made in memory. The bad thing about the system is that it just does editing, machine control and disk handeling. It has no build in mixer or plug ins at least not in the "old" pre linux version. The good thing about this lack of features is that it makes me buy equipment like kyma etc. I must admit that not being a composer I don't use midi for more then program changes. I use it now for 6 years, and had never had any serious trouble with unrecoverable data caused by a computer crash or something. IP: Logged |
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YPug Member |
posted 21 November 2000 11:41
The free ProTools is available for Win as well, however, I have not seen it working properly on that platform (at all): I tried four different PCs with four different sound cards (SEK'D Prodif96 Pro, Soundscape Mixtreme, Sonorus StudI/O & YamahaXG (SB compatible)). As soon as you go into REC, it crashes or reboots your system. Personally, I'd only trust ProTools on a MAC, even their 10k 24bit system is a serious resource hogger under NT/Win2k and cloggs up the machine. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bash the product, I just think that it has not been ported to the Win platform very well. On my end, I use Steinberg's Nuendo 1.5b (I do beta testing for them) which I think is GREAT. Very intuiutive UI, lots of control, all parameters of all plugins can be automated and JLCooper, MotorMix, Yamaha01V & generic MIDI devices (to name a few) can be used for tactile control. For I/O, I use a Sek'd Prodif96 Pro (24bit, 96kHz, AES/EBU & ADAT I/O, 20-bit analogue I/O, Wordclock) and it gives me latency times of ~6-8 mSec w/ASIO drivers but doesn't provide any DSP (other than for I/O) and costs ~$700US. There's a Dell optiplex running Kyma and a PIII clone box running Nuendo. IP: Logged |
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chuck welti Member |
posted 07 December 2000 14:14
I've been using a Sonic Soultion SSP version 5.0 for a few years. I use if for multi-tracking and mixdown. I have to use it a bit like my old four-track tascam, but what great four tracks. IP: Logged |
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kelvin Member |
posted 10 December 2000 10:24
I find it can be a matter of taste as to how you like to work. I know some who like the Mackie HD recorders and the likes. And 2 studios I work at use the new Yamaha. It sounds good, but I don't like looking at little displays compared to comp. monitors. My personal preference is definitly VST. I find it very quick to work with and have done many albums with it. And have worked with client breathing down neck, never fun. Nuendo is also cool if you plan to do more audio than midi. More midi then VST. With ASIO driver for Kyma then you wouldn't have to get a card just program. There are demos on Steinberg website if you want to try it. Just my 2 cents, American, to be transfered to what ever currency you use  Hope it helps, IP: Logged |
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