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taylor12k Member |
posted 07 May 2003 16:55
 
just curious how other Kyma users use their system when they play live... (if they do)... do you process acoustic or electronic instruments live? use self generating kyma sounds? perform solo? with a group? just curious.. taylor IP: Logged |
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bfelton Member |
posted 07 May 2003 18:07
For myself, it is almost always Kyma-generated sounds, as one piece of a larger performance. I've not yet done anything with treating or processing external inputs, although that's on the 'good intentions' list ;-) Given that the pieces include other synths with Kyma, changing sounds mid-stream isn't really a problem. cheers, IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 07 May 2003 18:57
I use voice or harp input into a Timeline where layers of processing & sampling modules change over time (some layers are synthetic). Sometimes I use the Continuum to control purely synthetic sounds. [This message has been edited by SSC (edited 07 May 2003).] IP: Logged |
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robertjarvis Member |
posted 08 May 2003 03:41
I have used kyma for live sound processing in two ways. The first is to use the compiled grid option where I trigger precompiled sounds in response to what the musicians are playing. This allows me good scope for improvisation; however, as there is sometimes a little gap between Sounds, the cueing can be difficult. My other way is to use the timeline. For this I preconfigure the order of the sound processing and then everything is controllable via the VCS. The 'Wait Until' Sounds are very useful in this configuration. When performing live I nomally split the mic input so that it is running not only into the Capybara for processing but also 'cleanly' into the mixing desk so that the sound engineer can mix the two together and get the best sound for the room. Robert IP: Logged |
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keph Member |
posted 08 May 2003 11:51
process external sound (the processes are sets of granular loopers and waveshapers.) i route via sends off mixer to the 4 inputs. then use a motomix to control the kyma parameters. the 4 outputs are routed to back to the mixer and are ussually set up as one stereo pair and 2 mono. i do this to minimize disk i/o as i have pc card interface for live shows (no firewire on my old laptop.) this is very different from in the studio, where i rarely used the external inputs. if in kyma x sets up inside of core audio, i hope to be able to send streams straight from ableton's live into the kyma for processing for live shows, and from logic in the studio. IP: Logged |
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e-smiley Member |
posted 12 May 2003 21:48
quote: That continuum looks phenominal as a kyma controller. How much are they running these days? How many "fingers" does it track? How do you like it, what do you use it for, any sound examples, and how long did it take you to get used to the microtonal stuff? heh - sorry for the 20 questions, but I'm really interested in this controller :^) IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 13 May 2003 10:09
If you go to this page http://www.symbolicsound.com/hearkyma.html and click on "Arabesque", you can see a QT of Edmund Eagan playing the Continuum (using Kyma as the sound engine). In answer to your question, yes the Continuum is completely addictive! (and very well suited to controlling Kyma Sounds). It can track 10 fingers. I leave mine set in the mode that gives you an equal tempered pitch on the KeyDown and allows you to bend the pitch continuously after that. (That way I have some chance of playing discrete notes "in tune" while still being able to play continuous glissandi once the finger is down). The Continuum is like any other musical instrument. As you teach yourself to play, you start uncovering that instrument's "voice". In other words, every instrument (whether it is a guitar, a violin, a keyboard) has its strengths and you learn what sounds good on that instrument and how to write "idiomatically" for that instrument. I know there are several Continuum players on the forum and am curious to hear about their experiences with it. (including the inventor of the Continuum--Lippold Haken http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org) IP: Logged |
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capy66n320user Member |
posted 13 May 2003 13:17
Does anyone have any comment about the Kurzweil ExpressionMate ribbon controller? http://www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com/html/expmate.html IP: Logged |
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Lippold Member |
posted 19 May 2003 14:18
I quote a previous reply to this posting: “That continuum looks phenomenal as a kyma controller.” I think that is true. (Ok, so I have a biased opinion!) I think the reverse is true, too: The continuum works well with traditional MIDI synthesizers, but continuum performers have said “it feels more expressive with kyma.” I think that is because kyma is so customizable – you have infinite flexibility for interpreting data from the continuum. I love hot parameter expressions! For any continuum owners reading this, please contact me about getting the latest continuum firmware and the new Configuration Strip for configuring the traditional MIDI connectors. IP: Logged |
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sm Member |
posted 23 May 2003 09:51
i usually process either vocals, electrobase or drums (a stereo mixdown) live. also sometimes feeding back the kyma output which brings quite unexpected sounds. i usually run derivates of "endless reverb", long delay lines, resonators, filters, vocoders and all sorts of sample readers, which write the life input into ram and then do different read out routines on it. lately i am a bit run out of ideas what to do with life input. i usually build my user interface in max, since kyma can be quite slow when you have to switch between layouts with a lot (above 20) widgets in them. i´m looking forward to buy the flame to be able to use david´s incredible max <-> kyma object. i use a "ultrafoot" footkontroller from a.r.t which has two midi-pedals and some switches to change between presets, sounds in timelines and of course hot parameters. [This message has been edited by sm (edited 23 May 2003).] IP: Logged |
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anton Member |
posted 01 June 2003 02:29
do you find that MAX and Kyma interact well? Are you using them together on the same computer (thru MIDI I gather)? Anton IP: Logged |
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dgkiers Member |
posted 01 June 2003 13:37
A problem I experience every now & then using Max and Kyma (on OS 9.2, 550 tibook) simultaneously, and because I don't use other apps alongside Kyma that much I don't know whether it is a more general conflict, is that after a while (no clear pattern noticed) the graphics get messed up badly (of all running apps that is) leading up to unseen abstract desktop graphics and finally a complete freeze. (maybe more of a Support kind of toppic) [This message has been edited by dgkiers (edited 01 June 2003).] IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 01 June 2003 15:03
Are you running Max in the "turbo mode" (I think that is what it's called). In this mode, Max runs on the stack of other applications. It's possible that Max is overflowing the Kyma stack and writing into places it shouldn't be writing in memory. IP: Logged |
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dgkiers Member |
posted 01 June 2003 15:28
I am not sure whether it only happens when Max is running in overdrive, it sounds plausible, I'll have to check this out whenever it happens again and I'll let you know. Thanks, D. IP: Logged |
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dgkiers Member |
posted 06 June 2003 08:06
I just found out that it is not limited to Max's overdrive mode. David. IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 06 June 2003 10:08
David -- Have you tried running Max on a different computer than Kyma? You should be able to control Kyma from a different computer as long as both computers are connected to the Kyma FireWire interface. This way we can discover if the programs are interfering with one another or if there might be a problem in the Max object. IP: Logged |
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dgkiers Member |
posted 06 June 2003 16:14
Never realized that this was possible, I will try, but I have had this graphics problem before, without using the (max>FW>capy?) Max object. This reminds me that I have had graphics problems when working with just Max (very big/layered patches) in the past, but never with basic patches like those I'm using now. Btw, I am working in millions of colors, could this be the problem? Thanks, David. IP: Logged |
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Bill Meadows Member |
posted 07 June 2003 15:39
I have had some strange graphics-related freezes on an iBook. I *seem* to have fixed them by disabling certain graphics extensions. Take a look at the "Kyma Crashes" thread under Kyma Support, from around April. IP: Logged |
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dgkiers Member |
posted 08 June 2003 02:33
the description of your problems sound very familiar, I'll have a go at these extensions, thanks, David. IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 08 June 2003 13:17
We have also received reports that disabling the FaxSTF extensions makes Powerbooks more stable. IP: Logged |
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mrothstn Member |
posted 08 June 2003 19:40
I reported improvement after disabling FaxSTF extensions and the VT102 and XModem extensions. I reenabled VT102 and XModem and got some funny crashes after using Audacity for system 9 so I have disabled VT102 and XModem with success. Good Luck Mark IP: Logged |
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Burton Beerman Member |
posted 20 June 2003 20:02
I am a wind player and use the live sound of the clarinet into input one of Kyma (coming through a pre-amp. input two is the voice of my wife and partner, who is a dancer. she wears a BodySynth (4 or more independent, wireless controllers), which goes into MIDI (often four separate controllers, so controllers are from movement). We then lay out the kyma events on a timeline, using wait until (and others) to detect pitch, amplitude, movement from the dancer, etc. to progress. doing a work in the fall for 4 saxophones, clarinet, dancer with voice, singer, BodySynth and interactive video. We will probably have up to 4 inputs at a time. IP: Logged |
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garth paine Member |
posted 30 June 2003 10:30
SCC wrote - Have you tried running Max on a different computer than Kyma? You should be able to control Kyma from a different computer as long as both computers are connected to the Kyma FireWire interface. Can you confirm the implication here - one machine running Kyma plugged into the Flame interface and another machine running MAX plugged into the Flame - both speaking to the Capy? As I do a lot of video tracking things with MAX which I feed to the Capy I would indeed like to be able to run MAX and Kyma on different machines - it would be more stable and leave all the overhead free for video tracking. IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 30 June 2003 12:59
"Can you confirm the implication here - one machine running Kyma plugged into the Flame interface and another machine running MAX plugged into the Flame - both speaking to the Capy?" Yes, that's correct! (If you have any FireWire drives on the same network, you have to take a little extra care. The first computer that starts up will grab control over all FireWire disks on the network.) IP: Logged |
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garth paine Member |
posted 04 July 2003 03:27
Hey cool - thanks Now what other combinations can we invent IP: Logged |
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