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tuscland
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posted 08 July 2005 11:13         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

I am in the prepation phase of a future recording (around november 2005). I would *really* like to leverage my Capybara power and use it as an audio converter. I need 8 channels so I would buy a 4 channel I/O expansion card ; this would be perfect as this card is cheaper than a high quality 8 channels Firewire interface.

Do you SSC gurus have made some progress on the development of the drivers (and firmware patches) required in order to use the Capy as an audio interface?
Could you tell if there is a light of hope to see those drivers available before next november?

Thank you very much for your help.

Best Regards,
Camille

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SSC
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posted 08 July 2005 13:24         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Could you tell if there is a light of hope to see those drivers available before next november?"

We are hopeful that this will be the case.


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soulyogi
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posted 26 October 2005 13:58         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
-Bump-

Any news?
As You know, I have been waiting for a while now.

/Jonas

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tuscland
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posted 26 October 2005 14:27         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can feel it coming ...
A mystic aura is surrounding my Capybara.
I am sure The Alchemists have found the key to control the DSPs from our favorite sequencers !

Please tell us !!!

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photonal
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posted 26 October 2005 16:08         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Camille - you realise your post implies November 2006!

[This message has been edited by photonal (edited 26 October 2005).]

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soulyogi
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posted 28 October 2005 07:29         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Asio, Core-audio, Mac or PC drivers,
whatever makes the capybara ins and outs available internally from other software
(Ableton live in my case)

I would very much like to get some news from the Kyma-crew on this my favourite subject!

/Jonas

[This message has been edited by soulyogi (edited 28 October 2005).]

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Phi Curtis
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posted 28 October 2005 11:20         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by soulyogi:
Asio, Core-audio, Mac or PC drivers,
whatever makes the capybara ins and outs available internally from other software
(Ableton live in my case)
[This message has been edited by soulyogi (edited 28 October 2005).]

Yeah, if that were to happen I might give serious consideration to selling my audio interface and buying some expansion cards and possible additional i/o for Kyma...

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tuscland
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posted 28 October 2005 11:22         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I do, if the Kyma / Core Audio / ASIO driver was here, I would definately buy an expansion card in order to have 8 i/o.
Kymagicians, I am ready to buy the expansion card right now (I mean today) if you think the driver is under completion !!!

Camille

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SSC
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posted 28 October 2005 13:05         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm...are you trying to bribe us, Camille? ;-)

Apple side is going well, but we have a "problem ticket" open with Microsoft that they assure us is still on their menu.

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kelvin
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posted 28 October 2005 16:50         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Then just release the Apple version now ;-)

Kelvin

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tuscland
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posted 30 October 2005 09:09         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SSC:
Hmmm...are you trying to bribe us, Camille? ;-)

Mmmhh, yes I do!
Anyway, your answer has been too fuzzy so I could take a decision right now.
Now you can call that bluff !!!

Camille

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tuscland
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posted 03 November 2005 05:15         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The idea of integrating the Capybara more deeper in the system gave me some ideas. Being in the mood for a discussion about these, here are my interrogations ...

I wonder if those driver were :
- a stream oriented integration of the Capybara : for example one can send an audio stream from Logic to a "Capy-Ouput" and get that stream back in Kyma for future processing.
- plugin oriented : with a plugin front end, I can insert a sound processing or add something like a virtual instrument (for output only Sounds for example) directly in the track of my sequencer instead of using an Aux track.
- a combination of above ?

Here is why I ask : the Timeline is a brilliant tool, but sometimes I would like to use my sequencer knowledge (namely Logic Pro) to be more efficient. I am very quick at using the transport facilities and editing functions, that I find the Transport tool a bit boring to use ... I thought that the integration of the Capybara in the system layer would be a fantastic occasion of actually using the sequencer as the Timeline tool controller, like a graphical frontend. Most of the control facilities seem to be present. It seems a weird idea or perhaps the idea is pushed too far : many controls can be done via the MIDI interface.

Just my 0,02 € ...

Camille

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soulyogi
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posted 25 November 2005 08:00         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
-Bump!-

Another month has almost passed, and I am no wiser.

I am getting older, loosing my hair, my son is soon in high school, my wheelchair has a flat tyre, I need stronger glasses, I canīt pee...
The years go by and all I can think of is that promise You gave us, long time ago, of a Kyma integrated with the rest of our setups, of the fantastic Capybara-audioconverters being used by Ableton, audiomulch, MAX/msp, Logic, Cubase, Nuendo, Reaktor, PD, VSTīs....of the most perfect audio toolbox in the digital world.

Please, I am almost ready to give up hope and put my Kyma on ebay.
Make me wiser.
Please.


/Jonas

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SSC
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posted 25 November 2005 08:36         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've forwarded your sentiments to the support engineer at Microsoft who has promised to fix something in the XP implementation of the AV/C standard. (we are frustrated too)

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rlainhart
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posted 25 November 2005 09:54         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I too could really use a Core Audio Kyma driver.

I understand Symbolic's desire to maintain feature parity between the platforms. I also understand that the OS X drivers have been ready for some time, and the holdup in the release is due to external difficulties in the development of the XP version.

Surely your user base would understand that holding up the OS X version won't accelerate the development of the XP version, which is apparently due to problems in XP itself that need to be corrected by Microsoft, and releasing the Mac version would make at least half your users happy....

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JackRosete
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posted 25 November 2005 10:13         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I second Rlainhart's post : )

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tuscland
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posted 25 November 2005 14:07         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree!
I think releasing the CoreAudio should give you folks some head start, while waiting for the XP implementation to complete.
Please!

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HectorBenard
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posted 25 November 2005 17:12         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also agree!

I don't think that microsoft would care much about anyone's sentiments (they don't even seem to care that much about all the security issues with their OS!). They will fix the problem when they get around to it (if they ever do), but I can't imagine they would give a capybara's behind about Kyma users.

It's really sad that such an important feature for Kyma has to be delayed because of *&@#$! microsoft, and that mac users have to suffer for it too. I understand that parity is important, but at what cost?

Anyway, I really hope this gets sorted out soon, as I am also looking into buying an interface for working with other audio programs, and I would much rather spend my money on an i/o card for my capy.

Hector

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taylor12k
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posted 26 November 2005 07:27         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
indeed.. holding up the OSX release will not speed up microsoft's handling of the situation... it may mean there are 2 versions of Kyma out there...

X.23 for the mac, and X.22 for the PC, but as soon as the PC is ready to go, the versions can match up again..

please o' please!!

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JackRosete
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posted 26 November 2005 10:10         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...and for those frustrated PC users who just can't wait - there's always the Mac Mini! : )

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taylor12k
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posted 30 November 2005 14:21         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok, i have a question about the core audio drivers... well, multiple questions.

i'm in the market for a new higher resolution interface with better convertors and sample rates than my trusty MOTU 1224.

- if we had core audio drivers, would the Capybara be able to behave exactly like a standard audio interface for the computer?

- does the Capy support 96khz (i'm sure it does...) ?

- would it allow Kyma to become, effectively, a "plug in" in a host application?

- does anyone know how the Capy AD/DAs stack up against the competition? apogee, RME, etc? i've heard they are quite good (and they sure sound good to my ears)...

- since i already own the capy (obviously) spending $600 on an output expander would be a lot cheaper than buying a new high res interface....

the possibilities are exciting.. i hope we see something surface soon!

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soulyogi
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posted 22 June 2006 16:36         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
......................?

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ATS
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posted 09 July 2006 23:12         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
<BUMP> plllllzzzzzzzzzzz :-)

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HectorBenard
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posted 10 July 2006 03:18         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the know section of the tweaky, where you download the updates, you can see a description of the current beta release of the flame firmware that supports AV/C audio on the mac. This will tell you what is possible now, and might give you an idea of what you can expect in the future.

Oh yes, and the capybara does support 96 khz. Up to 100 khz actually.

Cheers,

Hector

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tuscland
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posted 10 July 2006 04:08         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The AV/C firmware enables the Capybara to receive I/O from a FireWire stream. Just that.

It is required tp "boot" the Capybara before any operation, and this step is done during the launch of Kyma ("Initializing xxx processors ..."). So you can use the Capybara as a sound card, but you have to run Kyma in order to control the inputs and outputs, how they are patched, etc. which is very tiresome.

Moreover, if you really want to do acquisition with the Capybara, you will need preamps for each inputs. Last but not least, the AV/C is very CPU hungry, when the Flame interface is patched and connected, even with no activity, my PowerBook G4 / 1,64 Ghz shows 8% kernel_task activity.

So that's why I decided to use the Capy for what it is best : sound processing.
Then, I bought buy a Metric Halo 2882, which is a portable audio interface, has a nice control panel, built-in preamps, low latency / low cpu usage, and reputed quality.

I would love to use the Capybara as a sound interface, but in the end, it has not been made for that.


Cheers !
Camille

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ATS
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posted 11 July 2006 00:31         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My biggest interest is the ASIO drivers. I have a nice analogue board, so controlling the input levels and preamps is no issue. I just want to use the nice converters and have a way of patching the audio between programs in my PC via ASIO4All.

:-)


Tom

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ATS
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posted 03 December 2006 23:32         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
::bump:: Any chance this is going to happen? If not, please say so. I can't switch to Mac, but I'll try to figure something out.

Thanks

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