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circlingkailas
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posted 16 May 2009 07:53         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK - call me cheap, call me dense, I just purchased the Pacarana and am trying to fit it into my system without having to spend to much on additional peripherals.

I love my RME Fireface 800, not currently supported by Kyma/Pacarana. So, I am going to have to purchase a supported audio interface. I have one great set of monitors, attached to my RME, and I want to keep it that way.

I am thinking of getting a TC Electronic Konnekt x32 digital patchbay as a Pacarana-comliant interface, plus I could use another patchbay. The ONLY reason I am getting the x32 is to get a compliant interface for my Pacarana. I also have a Capybara and a Flame.

My question is: if I create a Mac OSX aggregate interface via Konnekt/RME interfaces in Mac Leopard, with my monitor outs coming from my RME - will the Pacarana still recognize this as an interface?

Also - a real newbie question. I am trying to follow the setup instructions on the web. If I get the flowcharts, the Pacarana is connected to my Mac via Firewire 800 or 400, and then the Mac is connected to my interface (in this case the x32). Duh, Duh - do I need to complete the loop by connecting the x32 to the Mac - and do all of these have to be on the same bus?

I am so ashamed to be asking the questions. Ashamed, Ashamed, Ashamed. help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks
CirclingKailas

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keph
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posted 16 May 2009 10:14         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, you don't want to use the aggregate devices in this case. There does need to be a 'meeting' place though for all your signals. It can be your RME or it can be an external mixer.

Here is my setup:

Mac Pro > FW800 back port > Pacarana
Mac Pro > FW400 back port > 24D
Mac Pro > FW400 front port > Saffre 40

24D ADAT IO to Saffre 40 ADAT IO.

Saffre 40 provides master sync clock. Saffre 40 provides core audio IO to the Mac Pro and Ableton Live or Apple Logic Pro.

Saffre 40 SPDIF/AES to Dynaudio monitors.

The AD/DA for both the 24D & Saffre is routed through an analog mixer for bringing in non-digital source as desired.

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Just replace the Saffre 40 parts with your RME. The RME provides all the IO to your audio programs. The Pacarana via the TC Electronic device connects via ADAT. I also have the TC Electronic's 4 analog IO connected out to a mixer if I want to process sounds from the analog domain.

Long story short: 1 audio interface is dedicated to the pacarana, the other to core audio (the computer). If you want to keep it all in the digital domain, use ADAT or AES/SPDIF to link the 2 interfaces together.


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circlingkailas
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posted 16 May 2009 16:43         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Keph - Thanks so much for this description. It is clear, concise and it will really help me out. Thanks for you time. Kailas

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Robert Ponto
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posted 08 June 2009 16:46         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since getting my Pacarana, I'm STILL not quite certain how to best route everything. I know I should be able to do this but my brain is just not working! If anyone can help walk me through even a part of this, I would very much appreciate it. Here's the deal. . .

1. Ideally, I'd love to use Kyma in conjunction (preferably in real time) with programs like Logic, Live and Max.

2. I'm using a MacPro, MOTU UltraLite mk3, and StudioKonnekt 48.

3. The Ultralite is "owned" by the Pacarana; everything else is run through the StudioKonnekt.

4. Using S/PDIF, is there a way I can configure things to allow "round trip" processing between, say, Logic and Kyma. That is to say, could I run Kyma through Logic — and Logic through Kyma?

5. Assuming that any of this is possible: before, with my Capybara and Flame update, I could run the Capy as an "External" instrument in Logic. I can't figure out how to do this with the Pacarana/UltraLite combo.


Any tiny morsels of information would be pounced upon and received with boundless gratitude!!!

Bob

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keph
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posted 08 June 2009 19:05         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd probably use the ADAT ports since that gets you more than 2 channels, but it either way it does matter.

There are 2 use cases you mention: effects and instrument.

For instrument, just use the external instrument plugin from software instrument list. The 'plugin' allows you set the MIDI out as well as the input audio source. If you use this, it will line up the audio to a pretty good degree. If you have multiple instruments you want to use at the same time in Kyma, you can use the MIDI voice and audio output routers to map the instruments to the appropriate channels. I think you could also use the timeline there but I don't use the timeline much so I am not sure all the options there.

For effects, you can take a couple different approaches. Probably the best is to set up a bus pair with an I/O plugin. The I/O plugin (from the utility plugin list) lets you select the audio out and in channels. You can use the I/O plugin anywhere in Logic, but in general it seems easier to keep it on a bus. In the I/O, you'll select the Konnekt 48 inputs and outputs which will in turn be connected to the Ultralight.

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circlingkailas
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posted 08 June 2009 21:13         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone - Just wanted to let you know that I got my system to work via the instructions I received. Basically, the Pacarana and the DigitalKonnekt on one Firewire bus via the rear ports on my Mac, the RME connected via the front Firewire bus on the front of my Mac, and the DigitalKonnekt connected to the RME in this case via a S/PDIF cable. Sounds of the universe coming out of my RME-connected monitors!

If anyone has an ideal setup for connecting a Haken Continuum to the Pacarana, I would greatly appreciate your advice! Right now, I am trying to do that using a cheap M-Audio Uno that is connected directly to a USB port on the Pacarana, but I am not getting a response.

Thanks everyone! Progress is Positive!

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SSC
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posted 09 June 2009 10:25         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you have a MIDI Continuum? (Or one with FireWire?) In the DSP Status window, do you have the M-Audio Uno selected as your source for MIDI input/output? If it is selected, try choosing MIDI from the front panel of the Pacarana and watch to see whether the Pacarana is receiving MIDI note messages.

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Robert Ponto
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posted 09 June 2009 23:29         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Keph, for the information. I'll give this a go when I get back home next week!

Best,
Bob

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Robert Ponto
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posted 10 September 2009 16:49         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Keph,

I forgot to thank you for your assistance! Your tips helped me to configure Logic, the Pacarana, my studiokonnekt 48 and MOTU ultralite such that all are getting along famously! Many, many thanks.

Next project: a workaround for Logic's 128-step automation so I can take better advantage of Kyma's finer resolution. . .


Best,
Bob

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keph
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posted 12 September 2009 22:53         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Robert Ponto:
Keph,

I forgot to thank you for your assistance! Your tips helped me to configure Logic, the Pacarana, my studiokonnekt 48 and MOTU ultralite such that all are getting along famously! Many, many thanks.

Next project: a workaround for Logic's 128-step automation so I can take better advantage of Kyma's finer resolution. . .


Best,
Bob


glad it worked out.

my only tips on 'increasing the resolution' are:
1. to use the smooth function in kyma. this is works if you are ok a little slew within the control signal.
2. scale the sound kyma so that you spread those 128 steps over a narrower band.

- Ben.

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Robert Ponto
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posted 13 September 2009 12:07         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm. . . I have been scaling when possible but I never thought of smoothing the incoming automation signal from Logic. Very clever! I'll have to try that.

Thanks,
Bob

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