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taylor12k Member	posted 26 September 2003 12:29 i know this has been discussed a bit here.. but i wonder what the advantages/disadvantages/technical possiblities of SSC offering Kyma as a software package that runs native on a computer. i mean, the power of macs and PCs these days is quite impressive and certainly there are large portions of Kyma that could run on these machines. there are a lot of factors, stability, DAC quality, expandability... but many advantages... portability... price... if a native version of kyma was sold for $500-$1000.. that might turn on many many new users to the world of Kyma. i personally would love to have a native version simply to use on airplanes, or when i'm out of town without my Capybara (which is often, since my capy has never left my house).. i don't know anything about programming.. but maybe the software would have to be totally rewritten ... and even separately for macs and PCs. i'm certain SSC has thought about this before. but i'm posting this because i bet a lot of people have opinions and even technical insight as to the possiblity of this. this post isn't a request as much as it is a curiosity about the techinical/financial/conceptual possibilty of it... .. taylor IP: Logged
KX Member	posted 26 September 2003 13:10 What I like with the idea of the Capy is that it behaves like a stand alone hardware synth/processor. I tried different other modular softs such as reactor; there is a lot of very good soft outhere but I would never rely on them for live performance wich is all Kyma is about. However, I would like to have Kyma Spectral analysis and other off-line process done within windows/mac. But piracy would be a VERY big problem for ssc; all those years they ate software code at breakfast! to be rip-off.... T.C. electronics (and others) developped a product wich prevent that but then again prices are rising. Given the basic price of the T.C.PowerCore ,added to the plugins price, Kyma/Capy is not that expensive. But I would like to see a ssc special "buy 3 get the fourth free"! Karl [This message has been edited by KX (edited 26 September 2003).] IP: Logged
Frank Kruse Member	posted 26 September 2003 13:12 this would mean that SSC would loose the 19" dongle called capybara and would enter the world of software piracy, i guess. plus they would have to re-program the software that translates the code for the motorola DSPs? frank. IP: Logged
Frank Kruse Member	posted 26 September 2003 13:19 plus I guess that people are rather willing to pay for a metal box they can touch than for a cd-rom. would you pay 13000$ for a protools HD core-system if it was native and add a 200$ sound card to listen? And I also like the fact that the capy still runs with the computer disconnected. I just had a customer that hired kyma for a big exibit just because of this "feature". they just had to make sure that there wasn“t“going to be a power loss. IP: Logged
garth paine Member	posted 26 September 2003 18:00 I agree that the stnd alone feature is excellent, I have left mine running an interactive environment (even on another contenent) for a month or more, without a single glitch - can't say that of a PC based app. Who would feel happy leaving Max/MSp or Reactor running for a month 7000 miles away? Never troubles me with Capy I kept my PCMCIA interface card for a while even when using Firewire, because I could leave it in the slot and edit/write algorithms away from the Capy. I really like being able to do that: sit in bed on a saturday morning, coffee beside and write Kyma patches under the feathers... ahhhhhhhh IP: Logged
taylor12k Member	posted 26 September 2003 18:12 a lot of interesting replies here.. thanks! on this one.. it's curious, because if my Capy isn't connected, sometimes i get the "please plug in the capybara" error when loading Kyma and sometimes i get the "do you want to use Kyma without the Capybara" ... why is it that sometimes it wn't let me use it..? quote: Originally posted by garth paine: I agree that the stnd alone feature is excellent, I have left mine running an interactive environment (even on another contenent) for a month or more, without a single glitch - can't say that of a PC based app. Who would feel happy leaving Max/MSp or Reactor running for a month 7000 miles away? Never troubles me with Capy I kept my PCMCIA interface card for a while even when using Firewire, because I could leave it in the slot and edit/write algorithms away from the Capy. I really like being able to do that: sit in bed on a saturday morning, coffee beside and write Kyma patches under the feathers... ahhhhhhhh IP: Logged
robertjarvis Member	posted 27 September 2003 07:52 For me, the ability to work with Kyma away from the Capybara would be useful, for example, the setting up of timelines and the basic preparation of Sounds. Since I could do these without having to actually listen to the Sounds, it would be good to be able to make use of the Kyma program separate from the Capy, and then when I want to listen, I plug it in. (A little like the old days when you wrote your composition out on manuscript paper and then, when it was 'finished', trying it out with the hardware - the instrumentalists). IP: Logged
oivindi Member	posted 27 September 2003 09:20 I“m missing two rather central arguments against the Capybara here. First, price. People must be aware of the amazing computing power that can be bought for more than $3000 these days. A dual G5 costs $3000. A fully loaded Capybara costs...$7-8000? Second, speed of development. How long has it been since the Capy was last updated? Quite a few years, actually. Meaning that while Max/MSP and Reaktor can take advantage of a Dual G5 in 2003 Kyma X will still depend on the Capybara 320. Also, I don“t see how using the argument of piracy should be an argument against making Kyma software-only. Aforementioned Max/MSP and Reaktor, and dozens of other popular programs (Live, Cubase, Peak), all manage to make a living, despite the fact that many people pirate their software. The best argument would simply be resources. SSC is a small company, and porting Kyma to software-only would probably take an amazing amount of time - while not having the time to improve the software itself. /Ų/ IP: Logged
mathis Member	posted 27 September 2003 13:16 quote: Originally posted by oivindi: Also, I don“t see how using the argument of piracy should be an argument against making Kyma software-only. Aforementioned Max/MSP and Reaktor, and dozens of other popular programs (Live, Cubase, Peak), all manage to make a living, despite the fact that many people pirate their software. /Ų/ Well, there must be a reason that every sequencer manufacturer was sold to a more solvent company the last years... IP: Logged
garth paine Member	posted 28 September 2003 03:41 I forgot to say in my last post, that I no longer have the PCMCIA card, so can not edit away from the Firewire interface wich is too big to take home from the studio every day. I really do think a small dongle (USB type thing) would be great to facilitate editing and arranging as Robert says Time Lines etc away from Capy, and then plug it in when in the studio and refine etc. This would also be useful in an academic institution where many people may be accessing the Capy, and could work on their Kyma patches away from the hardware, thereby sharing the harware more efficiently. Re Cpay/Kyma, I think it is great value and development work is always going on and responces to problems etc is first rate IP: Logged
Jeremy Williams Member	posted 28 September 2003 03:49 What about the reverse case. Being able to load a few timelines into a CAPYBARA. Freeze it. Unplug it. Take it on tour without the PC. It's a functionality that the Eventide Orville has. We are really talking about putting a Hard disk drive inside the Capybara. Just dreaming Jeremy Williams Barcelona Spain Kyma+Ztar+Lightning IP: Logged
KX Member	posted 28 September 2003 04:12 The Capy is just a few step away from being a SUPER MONSTER chameleon ( http://www.soundart-hot.com/english/index.htm ). Unfortunatly, I'm very poor at writing code...! If I only had the basic skill to help! Karl IP: Logged
mmarsh Member	posted 28 September 2003 13:43 quote: Originally posted by garth paine: I forgot to say in my last post, that I no longer have the PCMCIA card, so can not edit away from the Firewire interface wich is too big to take home from the studio every day. I really do think a small dongle (USB type thing) would be great to facilitate editing and arranging as Robert says Time Lines etc away from Capy, and then plug it in when in the studio and refine etc. This would also be useful in an academic institution where many people may be accessing the Capy, and could work on their Kyma patches away from the hardware, thereby sharing the harware more efficiently. ... Maybe this is a function of Kyma X, but I have it running on my laptop now w/o the Capy. A warning comes up telling me that the software might hang if I use it this way, but it hasn't yet! I use it to try things in the documentation - as I read the PDF I switch over to Kyma to ty waht was suggested. This is great for learning the mechanics of the app! Mike IP: Logged
keph Member	posted 29 September 2003 17:00 quote: Originally posted by mmarsh: Maybe this is a function of Kyma X, but I have it running on my laptop now w/o the Capy. A warning comes up telling me that the software might hang if I use it this way, but it hasn't yet! I use it to try things in the documentation - as I read the PDF I switch over to Kyma to ty waht was suggested. This is great for learning the mechanics of the app! Mike It is not a function of Kyma X. If you have the PCMCIA card, you can click ok at the warning and the GUI will boot up anyway. Just don't compile your sounds and you should have any troubles. If you only have the firewire interface you are out of luck. IP: Logged
keph Member	posted 29 September 2003 17:03 quote: Originally posted by keph: It is not a function of Kyma X. If you have the PCMCIA card, you can click ok at the warning and the GUI will boot up anyway. Just don't compile your sounds and you should have any troubles. If you only have the firewire interface you are out of luck. the more i think about it, i can't remember what to click. now i think it is cancel when the <turn capy on> message. blasted sorry about that. at any rate, it is a function of kyma5 but you must have a pcmcia card in to make it work. IP: Logged
mmarsh Member	posted 29 September 2003 17:34 quote: Originally posted by keph: the more i think about it, i can't remember what to click. now i think it is cancel when the <turn capy on> message. blasted sorry about that. at any rate, it is a function of kyma5 but you must have a pcmcia card in to make it work. I don't have a PCMCIA card. And even though the laptop does have FireWire built in, I have not installed the Flame driver. Soooo, maybe I'm just lucky. Mike [This message has been edited by mmarsh (edited 29 September 2003).] IP: Logged

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