posted 04 August 2004 10:01            

I'd be interested to know how well would the new Behringer BCR2000 controller be supported by Kyma. This is a very nice and real cheap control surface with encoders, led rings and switches. see :http://www.behringer.com/BCR2000/index.cfm?lang=ENG

Specifically, would Kyma be able to output midi cc values of vcs settings to setup the led rings around the encoders. When would that occur ? upon vcs preset change ? at each vcs param change ?

Also, if anyone has experience with the BCR2000 I'm interested in hearing some feedback about it

posted 10 August 2004 17:17            

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Originally posted by SSC:
Does this one have LCD labels so you can put the names of the parameters over the controllers? I couldn't see any (but might have missed it?)

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no, there is a single LED that shows the value of whatever controller you are moving.

besides the motormix, these are the only two i've seen with channelized LCDs: http://www.radikaltechnologies.com/Products/SAC-2_2/sac-2_2_0.html http://www.mackie.com/products/mackiecontrol/index.html

perhaps what is more useful for the behringer, doepfers, and other standard midi boxes of the world is some more global maps template examples.

[This message has been edited by keph (edited 10 August 2004).]

posted 11 August 2004 06:38            

on the BCF2000 : moving faders
on the BCR2000 : leds ring around encoder

For this to work, and for the encoders to work in absolute mode, some type of feedback is needed from the controlled device (Kyma). In other words, Kyma would need to send a feedback on midi output whenever a cc controlled hot parameter is changed.

Ideally, Kyma would send all VCS cc values upon loading of the vcs or preset change to set up the initial led ring/faders position on the control surface. Then it would send an update whenever a cc controlled hot parameter is changed (through midi or mouse or timeline automation ...)

Is there a way to achieve this in Kyma ?

posted 11 August 2004 13:28            

in fact i am not really sure if it would help sending the controller updates through midi...since the fader update ONLY works when the BCR/BCF is connected through USB. It does not when you have MIDI connection only. I have one and would really enjoy seeing it supported in Kyma.
The Kyma program on XP or OSX should have an option in the midi setup to choose BCR/BCF as a controller and then the computer and the controller communicate...this is the way it works when using Reaktor or other supported progs.

posted 12 August 2004 05:43            

What would be really nice is if Kyma had an additional floating window positioned at the bottom of the screen, that displayed all the legends. This way we could position our controllers directly under the screen (or screens) and adjust (or zoom) the width and position of this window/windows to line up with are controllers. This would mean that there would on longer be an 8 char name lengh limitation and it could display the current values for controllers that don't have moving faders etc. Also the window could have pop ups that would allow us to not only change the legend but also change what the faders and or rotaries actually controlled at the same time. We could then store these (instantly retriggerable) configs along with the Kyma sounds. Maybe this window/s (and the controller) could be moved to the top of the screen for the sake of laptop user. The VCS would still be used as this can have all the controllers on it (not just those that currently have an associated physical fader.

This could work O.K. on a mac but I don't know if (PC)Windows allow additional windows to be dragged outside the current application windows aria. Maybe some PC experts have a better idea.

I know this would be a huge undertaking and there are so many other things far more pressing on the wish list but maybe it could be added to the bottom.

By the way OLieb, do you know if the end cheeks of the BCF can be removed so that two BCFs can be bolted together? Behringer can't seem to answer this question.

Thanx

Pete.

posted 12 August 2004 11:31            

if I'm not mistaken (I don't own yet the BRC2000), I think that parameter feedback through midi is already available on the Behringer.

Looking at the pdf manual on page10 (French version), it is mentionned that for all standalone modes (S1, S2, S3), parameter feedback for LEDs or pots is coming from the Behringer midi output.

Only in USB modes (when you use the Behringer as your computer midi interface), the param feedback is through USB. Even in these mode, I imagine that it would be possible to route the param feedback back to the Behringer in USB trough your main sequencer or a midi loop back tool (potentially difficult if you have no other midi interface than the Behringer).

Did I miss something ?

Pete, I like the idea of the floating "LCD strip" in Kyma. This is something that looks already feasible using the 'tools' (haven't explored this yet).
In the same vein, I'd like Kyma to be rewire compatible (or at least ASIO) to allow better integration with my main DAW ... just dreamin

posted 12 August 2004 14:08            

it seems that I missed something...they brought out two updates since i bought it...whatsoever you can do the feedback through midi too.
If you conntct via USB you can link two devices...acc to the manual...via Midi you can do as many as you want if you dont have parameter feedback active.
I would prefer the USB version...in the mode i am using it is just as controller...not as midi interface.
In the application that supports the parameter feedback i just choose the BCR/BCF in the midi setup and now it is always "on" for this program. I dont know what happens if you have multiple plugins at the same time that all support feedback...i did not try this yet.
So what i meant before is that in Kyma midi setup instead of "just" choosing the controller channel for the Capybara Midi IN it would be great beeing able to select a controller that is connected to your host computer on whatever MIDI/USB port.

Oh...and i didremove the screws on the sides...couldnt really get it off...and since i wanted to get it back on i did not really try with full power...it should be possible...BUT...when you remove the sides the "stands" go away too and you have to do something about it because there are some screws down there that make it slip around badly...