posted 07 February 2014 11:39            

sometimes a text file opens up saying a bounch of things i dont understand because is a file i should send to you if problem arise again but it reads that it could be a problem with my sounds but i dont think so because i have not make any changes on any sound and the system used to be working fine.

I really don't know what wrong i also tried to check for a bad plugged cable but seems thats not the issue, I also have a mackie onyx 1220i firewire mixer i use with my daw while the capy works as audio interface with kyma and probably that could be the issue somehow i think they might be interfering each other , sometimes i first launch kyma and select pacarana as dsp and capy as audio etc and when that ready i launch my daw which is live and then i turn on the onyx so they are not fighting to get the audio interface, sometimes that works but not always.

today for example i just turned capy and paca on then launch kyma with onyx not turned on and i got the same message capy not responding.

i also notice that if i try to for example use the capy as audio output and the onyx as audio input it does not allow me to do that if i change any of those kyma automatically change both audio in and out to the same card i cant mix different audio devices.

my system is prety much the same as when all was working fine I just installed a couple of antispyware but i think thats irrelevant isnt it? no updates in os and anything i can recall right now.

I also have a major issue with a beyerdynamic firewire surround system and kyma they cant be on or any will work but that in another post in the same forum so probably all is related to the same core problem thats why i bring it again here, is there anything i can do to test this?

thanks a lot for your time !!!!!!!

posted 07 February 2014 21:07            

I first tried to determine if it was a physical problem so I made different configurations, connecting in different orders the cables and devices in the chain, I also did what you said to connect only paca and capy to my computer even i tried to connect only the capybara and computer and use it old fashion but didnt work so i tried to find out if the problem was my cable since i tried to use only pacarana and my mackie onyx as audio device for kyma to see if the capy was the problem

then kyma failed to use onyx as audio device then i went to the store and got a new cable but the problem was still there , so i now know is not a physical issue at least not a cable issue

but before all that i got few new error messages could help to find the problem:

i manage to make it work as i said before first when i got the capy can initialize problem i cancel several times (because kyma keeps asking this even after cancel the action) when finally kyma gave up i went to dsp and selected pacarana ( for some reason kyma always try to use flame first) then when paca was stablished as dsp then in the status i selected capybara as audio interface and it works ( but not always sometimes this does not work at all)

then i tried to run a timeline and after few minutes sound crashed and gave me that repetitive sound that happens when you disconnect the interface and sound is running

and a new error message appeared saying unhandled firewire bus reset or a firewire error (22)
then i got please turn or connect your kyma signal procesor
then after that i got cannot determine dsp? message

weird thing is that every time i got this errors i checked the system info under about this mac firewire and the pacarana and capy both are there is not like the computer does not see any of the devices

in another try using just the capy i got the message saying error: the message #at: ifAbsent: sent to nil, an instance of class undefined object, was not understood.

i tried again and i was able to use capy as dsp but when i tried to switch to pacarana using the status window pacarana wasnt available and the pacarana screen was reading searching for audio interfaces

I have notice before that sometimes when kyma was working fine when i started the app sometime i heard carlas voice saying kyma as when i used capybara alone and sometimes i didnt get that voice as if kyma used pacarana first instead i dont know it was quite random at least i cant find any pattern on that.

after several tests trying different order of turning on devices and different firewire sockets and cables finally anything was working then i just powered off and on again the flame and then i was able to work but I guess this does not solve the problem just allowed me to work until problem arise again .

my flame has been always in the same spot and i dont connect and disconnect it at all so it should be in good condition I dont think is a hardware issue with the flame it has not been damage in any way ( does it have expiration date? lol)

some how i think the system is just getting confuse about which interface and which dsp configuration to use because any of this problems where present when it was just the capy doing both jobs i just wish there is a software where you could manage this different interfaces to allow kyma to get or not get a selected device because if i want my daw and kyma to work with interfaces like motu etc its getting confusing on configurations and i cant work in just kyma with out using my daw because i can not connect my other audio devices and i cant use just my daw without my beloved kyma lol

so i also attached 2 files i got when the errors happened one is with the capybara alone and the other i was using pacarana and capybara together i hope it helps.

i cant perform any further test as my knowledge ends here haha so please just tell me what to do next

thanks alot for your time and patience.

posted 07 February 2014 21:18            

the list of configurations i was talking about where:
pacarana - capybara and computer
capybara and computer
pacarana- onyx and computer
pacarana-capybara-onyx and computer
all in different order of turn on and socket connections (all i could come up with)
every time computer recognized all devices under about this mac firewire info.

error text capybara only:

Kyma encountered this unexpected condition: Message not understood: at:ifAbsent:

This may have occurred due to a problem in one of your Sounds.
The following information is provided to help you track down the problem. If you continue to get this message after having made sure there are no problems in your Sound, please contact Symbolic Sound customer support for assistance.

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nil (class UndefinedObject) received message #doesNotUnderstand: sent from
nil (class UndefinedObject) received message #dnu2:arg:selector: sent from
an OpossumInterface (class OpossumInterface) received message #readEVariable:card: sent from
an OpossumInterface (class OpossumInterface) received message #readEVariable nProcessor: sent from
an OpossumInterface (class OpossumInterface) received message #displayableAudioChannels sent from
a GenericSignalProcessor (class GenericSignalProcessor) received message #displayableAudioChannels sent from
KymaStatusView (class KymaStatusView class) received message #openStatus sent from
BlockClosure [] in [] in Kyma class>>completeKymaStartup (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
BlockClosure [] in [] in Kyma class>>completeKymaStartup (class BlockClosure) received message #valueNowOrOnUnwindDo: sent from
BlockClosure [] in Kyma class>>completeKymaStartup (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
Process terminateSignal (class Signal) received message #handle:do: sent from
BlockClosure [] in BlockClosure>>newProcess (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from

Error message 2 capybara and pacarana together :

Kyma encountered this unexpected condition: My subclass should have overridden one of my messages.

This may have occurred due to a problem in one of your Sounds.
The following information is provided to help you track down the problem. If you continue to get this message after having made sure there are no problems in your Sound, please contact Symbolic Sound customer support for assistance.

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a PacaranaDiskFileAllocator (class PacaranaDiskFileAllocator) received message #subclassResponsibility sent from
a PacaranaDiskFileAllocator (class PacaranaDiskFileAllocator) received message #externalSourceOrdinalForChannel: sent from
a PacaranaDiskFileAllocator (class PacaranaDiskFileAllocator) received message #reserveSamplesFromExternalSourceStartTime:endTime:forSound:andScheduler: sent from
a PacaranaScheduler (class PacaranaScheduler) received message #reserveSamplesFromExternalSourceStartTime:endTime:forSound: sent from
External In 1 (class SamplesFromExternalSource) received message #reserveResourcesAtTime:forDuration:informing: sent from
External In 1 (class SamplesFromExternalSource) received message #reserveResourcesIfNeededAtTime:forDuration:informing: sent from
BasicMixer (class BasicMixer) received message #reserveResourcesAtTime:forDuration:informing: sent from
BasicMixer (class BasicMixer) received message #reserveResourcesIfNeededAtTime:forDuration:informing: sent from
Input 1 & External Outputs (class SetDuration) received message #reserveResourcesAtTime:forDuration:informing: sent from
Input 1 & External Outputs (class SetDuration) received message #reserveResourcesIfNeededAtTime:forDuration:informing: sent from
Input 1 & External Outputs (class Delayed) received message #reserveResourcesIfNeededAtTime:forDuration:informing: sent from
Input 1 & External Outputs (class Mixer) received message #reserveResourcesIfNeededAtTime:forDuration:informing: sent from
Standalone Converter 2 inputs 6 outputs (class Output8) received message #reserveResourcesAtTime:forDuration:informing: sent from
Standalone Converter 2 inputs 6 outputs (class Output8) received message #reserveResourcesIfNeededAtTime:forDuration:informing: sent from
BlockClosure [] in PacaranaScheduler>>basicPrepareToPlayReturningDuration (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
BlockClosure [] in PacaranaScheduler>>basicPrepareToPlayReturningDuration (class BlockClosure) received message #valueNowOrOnUnwindDo: sent from
a PacaranaScheduler (class PacaranaScheduler) received message #basicPrepareToPlayReturningDuration sent from
a PacaranaScheduler (class PacaranaScheduler) received message #prepareToPlayReturningDuration sent from
BlockClosure [] in PacaranaScheduler>>basicDownloadSound:starting:emitWarnings: (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
Object userInterruptSignal (class Signal) received message #handle:do: sent from
a PacaranaScheduler (class PacaranaScheduler) received message #basicDownloadSound:starting:emitWarnings: sent from
BlockClosure [] in PacaranaScheduler>>downloadSound:starting:emitWarnings: (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
SignalCollection (a Signal with parent: a Signal with parent: Object errorSignal a Signal with parent: a Signal with parent: Object errorSignal ) (class SignalCollection) received message #handle:do: sent from
a PacaranaScheduler (class PacaranaScheduler) received message #downloadSound:starting:emitWarnings: sent from
a PacaranaScheduler (class PacaranaScheduler) received message #downloadSound:emitWarnings: sent from
BlockClosure [] in GenericSignalProcessor>>downloadSound:emitWarnings: (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
a RecursionLock (class RecursionLock) received message #critical: sent from
a GenericSignalProcessor (class GenericSignalProcessor) received message #accessProtect: sent from
a GenericSignalProcessor (class GenericSignalProcessor) received message #downloadSound:emitWarnings: sent from
a GenericSignalProcessor (class GenericSignalProcessor) received message #downloadSound: sent from
BlockClosure [] in GenericSignalProcessor class>>loadCapybaraAudioIOSound (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
BlockClosure [] in GenericSignalProcessor class>>loadCapybaraAudioIOSound (class BlockClosure) received message #valueNowOrOnUnwindDo: sent from
BlockClosure [] in RecursionLock>>critical: (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
BlockClosure [] in RecursionLock>>critical: (class BlockClosure) received message #valueNowOrOnUnwindDo: sent from
Semaphore () (class Semaphore) received message #critical: sent from
a RecursionLock (class RecursionLock) received message #critical: sent from
a GenericSignalProcessor (class GenericSignalProcessor) received message #accessProtect: sent from
GenericSignalProcessor (class GenericSignalProcessor class) received message #loadCapybaraAudioIOSound sent from
GenericSignalProcessor (class GenericSignalProcessor class) received message #configureCapybaraForAudioIO: sent from
GenericSignalProcessor (class GenericSignalProcessor class) received message #startUp sent from
BlockClosure [] in Kyma class>>completeKymaStartup (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
a Signal with parent: Object errorSignal (class Signal) received message #handle:do: sent from
Kyma (class Kyma class) received message #completeKymaStartup sent from
Kyma (class Kyma class) received message #startUpOnMacintosh sent from
BlockClosure [] in [] in Kyma class>>startUpKyma (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
a KymaMacPowerPCInterface (class KymaMacPowerPCInterface) received message #onMacintoshDo nWindowsDo: sent from
BlockClosure [] in Kyma class>>startUpKyma (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
BlockClosure [] in Kyma class>>startUpKyma (class BlockClosure) received message #valueNowOrOnUnwindDo: sent from
Kyma (class Kyma class) received message #startUpKyma sent from
BlockClosure [] in Kyma class>>update:with: (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
BlockClosure [] in Kyma class>>update:with: (class BlockClosure) received message #valueNowOrOnUnwindDo: sent from
KymaCursor watch (class KymaCursor) received message #showWhile: sent from
Kyma (class Kyma class) received message #update:with: sent from
Kyma (class Kyma class) received message #update:with:from: sent from
(SystemDictionary keys (SumOfSines Sound FastAugmentedBag EventIDMap ArrayOfStrings HorizontalTextList TempoMapper ScaledEvent CompiledMethod SingleSampleMemoryWriter KymaRandom PositionalIOBuffer BinaryStorageEncoderDictionary OldCompiledBlock Palindrome BasicMultiSpectrum EventProduct DSP56000Assembler SPActiveLines TimeBarGroup ValueModel Capybara33ChangeList ConditionalTransition TimeAlignmentUtilityController WaveformDisplayView MultichannelSpectrum StereoOutput4 TimeZone SmallPoint AbstractFunction VirtualDuration COopType TextMeasurer KCharacterBlockScanner MacIOAccessor FileEnvironment DSP56000ExpressionParser SamplesFileEmptyReadBuffer KymaFileBrowser SplitSurroundFilePlayer SoundLevelTransform MusicNFromLime BenchmarkThread NotANumber EnterGrid NestedBandpassFilterBanks ProgramNodeBuilder LinearFit MarkerCorrespondenceController PsiFileTimeFrequencyScaler ByteCharacterEncoder DialogController Output4 Date OSHandle EmitTimeChangeEvent ListOfOptions OneOverF Level KymaParameterString BasicConcatenation SuperOscillator ChannelizedFileSet CharacterEncoder DeferredBlock DisplayValue KSelectionSetInListView AntiAliasedOscillator KymaInputSensor OldCompiledMethod VCSFaderTickMarks AbstractPoint EventTimeInSeconds ProgramNode CompiledCodeCache SamplesEditorParameter DSP56000ExpressionValue ExplodingFeedbackLoopIn TunableVocoder KymaPrototypeStripView MCODReadStream DefaultSound KChildWindow PacaranaEventHandlerAllocator CArray FFTInPlace InterpolatingStereoWaveshaper RecordingSoundPlane ProbabilityDistribution AnalogSequencerMapper SignEvent ConcreteSoundWithDelayedBindings FileOrganizerTextExpression MultiEnvelopeController SamplesEditorController KymaCompositeController Bezier PenStatusView ReplacementSound ColumnarPath OverlappingSum ZZZState SpectrumOscilloscope TimeFrequencyScaler ExternalLibraryHolder AutoScrollingView RegisterOutputBuffer TimeFunctionSquareOff CodeLabel ComposedTextView VFBranchingPath TrackStatusView KDAGView OSPool HRBranchingPath ModulatedOscillator PenStatusController TimeFrequencyScale SamplesEditorView LogTwoEvent MultichannelPan AnalogFilter ConstantSound Morph3DPsi MIDIOutputEvent BoxedObjectIcon InterpolateN SuperSample DisplaySurface SystemTracer11 ComplexPlaneView KCompositionScanner Array Screen PSFontFamily DragManagerForRectangle RegisterChangeList TriggeredResponse ISO8859L1String CharacterComposer PsiMorph3D SelectableAudioInput StatementNode MethodContext DeviceFont Mixer HilbertTransform ValueHolder ParallelIIRFilterWithFeedback LabelButton VCSScrollPositionController ForcedProcessorAssignment ConstructedSound PrototypeStripController LimeEndSyst DeflateStream TwoToTheEvent LowRateRecordingSoundPlane TwoPowerMicrosecondsInSamples SOSFileEditorViewForMarkers KWin32Filename PCIState ReadFloatEvent TimeLineMarkerController NestedIndexIntoBreakpointFunctionEvent TextFileStream OscillatorWithVariables TextItemEditor LabeledBooleanView LargeCharacterEncoder KymaSpeakerPositions MicrosoundSet SoundInTime DialogCompositeController PrototypeStripOrganizer SINumberEvent PacaranaChangeList ImageProcessor WeakDictionary TimeAlias LargePositiveInteger InterpolatingWaveshaper FileOrganizer EventVariableIndexed TwoFormantElement IndexIntoBreakpointFunctionEvent FileNameParameter ActionButton PacaranaEventSourceBuffer KymaVersionDate MonoToMultichannel SamplesArray ValueParameterWithList FastFindString PluggableXYGraphView LongWordArray KButton EventValueListController KSelectionInListController TerminateBlock DSPStatusView FourOscillators TextController UnarySoundPlane TerminalMicrosound LastMenuPick TextLines StaticScope BenchmarkCreature KymaTextItemController SyntheticFont Particle IntegerArray NaryTransform SomeNumber ExplodingFeedbackLoopOut CoveragePalette Complex Context BOSSCompiledCodeHolder OptimizedSkipList LowShelvingFilter VariableSound CapybaraEventSourceBuffer KymaInterfaceDictionary TwoPowerMicrosecondsShift TimeLineObject ExternalCallback AssignmentNode TwoPowerMicrosecondsMask LineSegment DistributorMicrosound CharacterScanner SpectralDisplayView Channeller CPointerType SampledEnvelopeEditorView ExternalReadWriteStream DoubleArray EventBinaryOp TextList ArrayParameter REFileAccessor InputStateForEmulation PacaranaOutputBuffer EventExpression EventRamp ThisSnd Scanner Standalone AnalogOscillator HalfFDFT NonlinearProduct Instrument LPCInput BoundedWrapper KymaKeyboardEvent KymaRange LimeObject CQualifiedType InstructionCyclesInterval ZipConstants SpectrumInRAM AnacondaInterface SendReturn GridModeForTimeLine FDFTMatrix Morph2DPlusKeymapPsi QTMovie ErrorDiffusion FrequencyInBPM ControlManager Undeclared XAxisRulerView DSP56000SourceStream DAGModel ScrollValueHolder SPSortedLines SOSFileEditorModel RestortionOscillator StoreVariableEvent IteratedWaveshaper SelectableAudioOutput DisplayableMinutesSeconds ExternalWriteStream FixedFormatNumberView LookPreferences DigitalFilter SimpleOscillator Boolean StoreEventValueEvent KDisplayScanner BOSSContents TextStream OldKTextAttributes ...etc...) ...(more)...) (class DependentsCollection) received message #update:with:from: sent from
ObjectMemory (class ObjectMemory class) received message #changed:with: sent from
ObjectMemory (class ObjectMemory class) received message #changed: sent from
ObjectMemory (class ObjectMemory class) received message #returnFromSnapshot sent from
BlockClosure [] in [] in ObjectMemory class>>snapshotAs:thenQuit:withLoadPolicy: (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
ObjectMemory snapshotFailedSignal (class Signal) received message #handle:do: sent from
BlockClosure [] in ObjectMemory class>>snapshotAs:thenQuit:withLoadPolicy: (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
BlockClosure [] in ObjectMemory class>>snapshotAs:thenQuit:withLoadPolicy: (class BlockClosure) received message #valueNowOrOnUnwindDo: sent from
Cursor wait (class Cursor) received message #showWhile: sent from
ObjectMemory (class ObjectMemory class) received message #snapshotAs:thenQuit:withLoadPolicy: sent from
ObjectMemory (class ObjectMemory class) received message #snapshotAs:thenQuit: sent from
ObjectMemory (class ObjectMemory class) received message #saveAs:thenQuit: sent from
ObjectMemory (class ObjectMemory class) received message #saveDialogThenQuit: sent from
Kyma (class Kyma class) received message #fileQuit sent from
BlockClosure [] in [] in KWindow>>dispatchMenuMessage: (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
a Signal with parent: Object errorSignal (class Signal) received message #handle:do: sent from
BlockClosure [] in KWindow>>dispatchMenuMessage: (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
BlockClosure [] in KWindow>>dispatchMenuMessage: (class BlockClosure) received message #valueNowOrOnUnwindDo: sent from
a KymaLauncherView (class KymaLauncherView) received message #dispatchMenuMessage: sent from
BlockClosure [] in [] in LauncherView class>>kymaMenus (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
a LauncherController (class LauncherController) received message #trackEvent:forMenu:atIndex: sent from
a LauncherController (class LauncherController) received message #trackLaunchEvent: sent from
a LauncherController (class LauncherController) received message #processMouseEvent: sent from
a KymaController (class KymaController) received message #processMouseEvent: sent from
BlockClosure [] in KymaMouseEvent>>dispatchFor: (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethodwith: sent from
a KymaLauncherView (class KymaLauncherView) received message #withExistingControllerDo: sent from

KymaMouseEvent(a KymaLauncherView): 202094 24@122 dn (class KymaMouseEvent) received message #dispatchFor: sent from
a KymaWindowSensor (class KymaWindowSensor) received message #dispatchNextEventBefore: sent from
a KymaController (class KymaController) received message #dispatchNextEvent sent from
a KymaController (class KymaController) received message #eventLoopBody sent from
a KymaController (class KymaController) received message #eventLoop sent from
BlockClosure [] in [] in KymaController>>startUp (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
Object userInterruptSignal (class Signal) received message #handle:do: sent from
BlockClosure [] in KymaController>>interruptHandle: (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
BlockClosure [] in KymaController>>interruptHandle: (class BlockClosure) received message #valueNowOrOnUnwindDo: sent from
a KymaController (class KymaController) received message #interruptHandle: sent from
BlockClosure [] in KymaController>>startUp (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
Object errorSignal (class Signal) received message #handle:do: sent from
a KymaController (class KymaController) received message #errorHandle: sent from
a KymaController (class KymaController) received message #startUp sent from
BlockClosure [] in ControlManager>>activeControllerLoop (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
Controller badControllerSignal (class Signal) received message #handle:do: sent from
a ControlManager (class ControlManager) received message #activeControllerLoop sent from
BlockClosure [] in ControlManager>>launchBaseProcess (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from
Process terminateSignal (class Signal) received message #handle:do: sent from
BlockClosure [] in BlockClosure>>newProcess (class BlockClosure) received message #unboundMethod sent from