posted 16 March 2010 12:36            

I've looked a long time without any result and it's certainly a stupid question ( when i look at your sophistaced posts )...
But i'm wondering if it's possible to play a sample in timeline from a keyboard and record these notes ( and eventually modify them ) ?

The only solution found is to cache the sound but if i want to change something i must replay all of it ... i've searched a way to record the value of the keydwown ( midi message received in configure midi )but without any result...

Peharps, it's not the way to use Kyma.... when i discover slowly but surely the power of it...

Thanks for the person who can help me

posted 17 March 2010 08:22            

so i've tried another way to do what i want
I take Kyma like an midi instrument drived by another sofware which send midi informations to him. It's really weird that it's not possible to do it alone in Kyma when i see all the existing possibilities in term of midi... or i'm a noob lol
So to manage this i need a midi controller and i want to know if the
Novation Remote Zero SL MK II works with Kyma.

Thanks a lot,

posted 17 March 2010 15:01            

Your midi controller will be able to send messages that you will be able to assign to parameters on the VCS using the Learn function or in the VCS editor.

A cheap solution to not have to set-up midi cc maps each time; http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCF2000.aspx
This communicates directly with your capy/paca and automaps everything that appears. It works seamlessly. I would save your other control for the DAW and use the BCF with Kyma!!!
This has been one of the best little updates for me personally in recent years.

Currently, you can not record midi notes on the timeline. I USED to be frustrated with this. However, if you let certain issues like this wash over you, you will find workflows that are manageable. I am sure it is on the list and if we are patient and persuade everyone to upgrade to pacas we will be rewarded with everything we desire.

I present to you a two different ways I work with midi (logic pro9) and my kyma system.

1. Make a sound that responds to !Pitch. Run this sound independently, use the kyma as a hardware modular sampler/synth etc Fire the notes from logic to kyma, sub mix your audio in the normal way. I would normally record the audio directly from the kyma back into logic from my mixer in this scenario.

Advantages
Quick, easy to setup, sequence midi control messages and notes all from your host in a familiar fashion.

Disadvantages
Subject to external midi communication timing jitter. A little harder to sync certain items to tempo.

2. Use your sound on a timeline. Using MTC - Midi Time Code sync the timeline to your DAW/sequencer. Logic users note, the default logic sync offset is a whole day! You need to bring this back to 0, this solves the non moving kyma timeline..
Sequence with it in sync. This is easier when using analogue connections, can be interesting unless you have your digital clocking sorted out on your system.

When you have finished sequencing an are ready to bounce back into logic, I like to export the midi data from logic as a midi file and pop that into the midi voice prototype anywhere on your sound, when you play the timeline your notes will play back more accurately than transmitting them over midi! You can then do internal kyma bounces for a lovely clean sound.

Advantages: Tight timing. Use Cache tracks to render elements and save processing. Everything can track your tempo map and stay in sync
Disadvantages: Deal with sync, (hassle at start, but once you got it sorted..... ) Kind of a long process - but art is worth it ?!?!

Pretty sure that is all good. Correct me if I am wrong...

Good Luck in there.... The fog will clear. Try to follow as much Kyma X revealed as you can, it is hard not to think of the timeline as a DAW, whilst ultimately powerful, it does not follow the same principles we may be used to. Spend as much time as you can reading all the information that is revealed on the prototypes when you click the names for each section. Many of the foot notes are an education in itself.

Hurrah

Charlie

posted 17 March 2010 15:28            

I did some editing on the kyma.tweaky.

The top50questions & the where can i get help sections.

I am assuming this is ok, i figured that I had edit rights for a reason...

I hope I am accurate in my edits and that people think they are appropriate.

Please let me know/edit if there are any issues....

Ta

posted 17 March 2010 16:29            

Thanks for your help, i'm not a noob then , it's weird , i thought it was not so difficult

For the moment i use your second method with a Daw, the idea of exporting midi file is great
I will try your first one...
So you recommend me the BCF2000 for Kyma, it looks great... Are all the controller midi compatible with Kyma, there isn't special protocol ?

For Tweaky it's a good idea , this would have avoided wasting time

Best regards

sAmy

[This message has been edited by BardetSamy (edited 17 March 2010).]

posted 17 March 2010 17:52            

Yes indeed all midi controllers are compatible with Kyma. However, I think historically this device called a Motormix was the first hardware control to be supported in a more integrated manner. I think the motormix actually has little displays on each fader telling you the VCS name of the auto-mapped parameter. Apart from the BCF I think the only other way of getting motomix style control is perhaps with the touch screen Lemur system. This is a different budget range!

The BCF has dedicated buttons for various things including create snapshots, randomise etc.. As far as motorised faders go this unit is fantastic value for money. (rummage the wiki for more documentation)

Once i get a paca I will definitely be getting a wacom tablet

Have fun

posted 20 March 2010 08:33            

i've got a Wacom tablet and it's very nice for Kyma...and i'm still wondering if i need another controller midi....

Yesterday, i've transformed a woman voice in a man with the Tau editor and the result is incredible !!!!!

sAmy

posted 20 March 2010 14:46            

Does anyone run a paca and capy together? If so do tell us how you get on...

posted 20 March 2010 20:03            

Carla uploaded: http://www.symbolicsound.com/zzz/pub/Share/Sounds/KeystoControllers.kym

at http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Share/Sounds#Keyboard

This sound uses a set of SoundToGlobalControllers to translate MIDI events into something Kyma can record. Place the sound in a timeline and record enable the relevant controls then record away.

Editing the subsequent recording is challenging to say the least so the above suggestions from Charlie are still valid. This method certainly presents different editing possibilities than a conventional MIDI sequencer.

posted 02 April 2010 02:45            

thanks for that , i will try this thing....

I've finally bought a Novation Controller and wait for it !!!
I'll tell you about.