posted 12 November 2002 12:25            

If I remember correctly, Symbolic Sound was considering adding SAC-2.2K support in Kyma. Is this still the plan? Rough estimate/timeline?

Thx. Back to having fun with Kyma.

Rgds,

posted 12 November 2002 15:55            

Rgds,

posted 08 March 2003 05:47            

What I really like to see in this Mackie Control line is a control surface with joysticks, if this happens it would be very interesting...

-Armand

posted 11 March 2003 16:13            

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Originally posted by armand:
Is there a manufacturer that produce some kind of joystick with MIDI.

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posted 11 March 2003 16:45            

May this is a way to do it with a Wiard joystick controller.
http://www.wiard.com/

posted 12 March 2003 07:10            

Thanks anyway,

posted 12 March 2003 11:30            

Part of the low-cost is that you need to assemble it yourself. I haven't tried it myself, but I understand from others that it works quite well.

posted 12 March 2003 12:45            

Thanks,

posted 03 May 2003 14:37            

I just did a search on the Digidesign Forum for Radikal Tchnologies/SAC 2.2. Here is a link to a very interesting thread regarding the SAC 2.2.
http://duc.digidesign.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=16;t=013815#000012

posted 05 May 2003 10:09            

I read the Digi user forum comments on the SAC-2.2K you forwarded. I cannot comment on how it works for Digi software, but I know that Digi would want you to buy their hardware, thus traditionally their support for other company's h/w is almost non-existant. Plus they rep the MotorMix, if I remember correctly... It is always good to know if a company has a vested interest either way...

Having said that, the SAC-2.2K has worked very well for me using Digital Performer, & Reason, plus plug-in editing. Good quality construction, precision faders and knobs, etc. The SAC-2.2K has a DP-specific driver, which I am sure MOTU was instrumental in creating. There were problems with the initial release, the SAC-2K, both h/w & s/w, that were addressed, plus USB functionality came with a later driver and flash-upgrade on the unit itself (MIDI-file execution at home).

Also having said the above, :-), my latest studio-thinking/addition might be completely or partially moving away from control surfaces, and into a real mixer with software control capability. One of the things I miss the most by using ANY control surface is the audio monitoring functions. If I have faders and pots to work with anyway, it is really convenient for me to have the audio monitoring function at hand (mono, stereo to 7.1 surround, etc., for what I am looking for). The new Yamaha DM1000 (smaller sibling to the DM2000 and the O2R96 digital consoles) seems to fit the bill. It controls software as well: PT, Nuendo, & possibly Logic.

As it refers to Kyma, then, I am not sure if a HUI emulation on a digital mixer would be sufficient to work with the software, but it might reduce the necessary control surfaces/mixers needed to work with the myriad audio software packages most of us use regularly. Maybe SSC can comment on what their current thinking is to support control surfaces and/or digital mixers thru emulation.

Rgds,

posted 05 May 2003 21:27            

Thank you for the information regarding the SAC 2.2!
I really appreciate it.
Do you still have your MotorMix?
If so, how do you like the KYMA with it?
If not, why did you get rid of it?

I think, at this time, it would be VERY hard for me request support for ANY control surface in KYMA. I mean it wouldn't be fair to SSC if I said I wanted SAC 2.2 support (or any other...) only to have Radikal Technologies (or any other manufacturer) 'go under' .

There is a big battle for "CONTROL" in the DAW market these days and unfrotunately, as consumers, we have to either choose side/platforms, or worse yet, wait until the dust settles and be left with no options at all.

I really liked the expansion control surface that Emagic previewed at NAMM (or was it AES???) for their Logic Control but I don't know if it was a stand-alone system OR if you need to own a Logic Control to use it. It's that one with four banks of rotary knobs with LED's across the top of them. Anyway, I think SSC will have to decide what makes the most sense for them to spend precious time to support.
Until then I guess I'll have to wait.

posted 06 May 2003 10:33            

Yes, I still have the MotorMix because I like the tight integration with Kyma. It also has a small footprint, and is well-built. Cannot remember now the MM version numbers, but I found out there was a chip-upgrade for the MM when I bought mine used. My unit was already a 'newer' unit, though. You can purchase one used on eBay for around $300-500. Given the abundance and lower prices of control surfaces today (don't you hate/love when this happens? ;-), I would be hard pressed to pay 50% premium for the SAC-2.2K, but I really have never investigated how well the newer control surfaces work from other manufacturers. I would re-look all control surfaces and then make a decision. I have seen the price of the SAC-2.2K go down during the last 6 months.

I also feel, like you, that there is a proliferation of control surfaces and digital mixers with DAW control, and that some 'settling' will happen in the industry.

Until then, the MM works well, does exactly what it is supposed to do with Kyma (I imagine SSC did great work in writing the driver), and takes little space in my studio. For me, it even works very well with DP.

Rgds,

posted 09 May 2003 04:52            

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Originally posted by torvald:
However, people may prefer faders over just rows of knobs.

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Well you can always choose a fader pack and the C-4 is a nice option for things like analogue sequencing.

I also found a dual joystick MIDI controller:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~concuss/concussor/djmc.htm