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CharlieNorton
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posted 21 February 2010 20:18         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

ReplicatorUnisonExperiment.kym

 
Hello Kymaland.
I am trying to learn a little more Repligator technique.

As you can see from my patch I have a number of oscillators stacked together. I would like to know if there is a way rather than having a number of faders control the detune, I would like one master fader which would distribute a spread of values to the replicated oscillators. Something similar to work with pan would is also a goal.
Or have I misinterpreted what is possible here?

Thanks

Charlie

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SSC
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posted 23 February 2010 11:29         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the Frequency field of the Oscillator, you could use something like:

!Frequency hz + (?VoiceNumber * !Spreadamount) hz

Then add !Spreadamount to the DoNoChange field of the Replicator.

This sounds amazing, btw!

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CharlieNorton
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posted 23 February 2010 18:34         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup! I am with you, that does sound spectacular. Oscillator detune madness.
I have just spent some time playing with sweeps to really high detune values!
Many thanks

Charlie

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bruno
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posted 26 February 2010 04:16         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

ReplicatedReplicatorExperiment.kym

 
thanx for the inspiration....

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bruno
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posted 26 February 2010 04:36         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

lamentingCyclone.kym

 
... and sometimes its enough to reverse a !gt into a !lt ... still playing around with your Sound, Charlie

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CharlieNorton
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posted 26 February 2010 06:38         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Bruno!
I have enjoyed rummaging your patches, they have provided some modulation inspiration...
Splendid

Charlie

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CharlieNorton
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posted 28 February 2010 19:52         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

CombStacker.kym

 
Hello Peeps. THIS PATCH RESPONDS ON Midi CHANNEL 2 sorry..

Here is a keyboard version of el repligator patch.
I have added a delay then a combfilter to the signal path. I love the verberant resonant washes the spread produces from the stacks of them.

I am getting there with the ?VoiceNumber to provide integers to modulate with,
however
I would like to expand my pan control to spread them evenly starting in the centre rather than the left right linear spread. I am also interested in attenuating the repligations subtly as spread, I have had some success but looses too much impact... As usual my basic math fails me.

I know the spread controls are a little over the top. Take note of spread amount glide and note portamento.

It needs a filter setup next. Remember It is on Channel 2,

Oh just a note to you Paca owners.... This patch is one replication away from not playing on my unexpanded Capy320. Thank the heavens for Cache Tracks!

Obviously I would like to run it at 192 Killerhurtz to reduce the aliasing when you waz the extended range detune control... My kingdom for Moar DSP.

Live Long and Modulate

Charlie

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SSC
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posted 03 March 2010 20:36         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

livedetuning.kym

 
Thanks Charlie and Bruno for the inspiration behind this Sound. It uses the multiple detuned Oscillator idea, using an OscillatorBank for multiple oscillators. The wavetable for the oscillators is being captured lived with the MemoryWriter. So it is a kind of live detuner.

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Denis Goekdag
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posted 04 March 2010 00:05         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good stuff, ladies & gentlemen, cheers ;-)

"Spread" is a really convenient way of adjusting multiple parameters; I use it a lot in my work. Also very effective for clusters of bandpass filters ---- then modulate the spread with an envelope follower. Another similar thing I often do is a "Tilt" or "Slope" control, where for example the amplitude is divided by voicenumber (for a 1/f spectral slope in the case of harmonic series). The "Tilt"/"Slope" control will then interpolate between that and its inverse , giving unity across all bands in the middle position.

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SeanFlannery
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posted 05 March 2010 03:12         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just when you think 'I've got a handle on this... I know some things about Kyma...' someone comes along and blows your comfortable notions out of the water. (a' la livetuning.kym)

oscilatorBank using live input as the wavetable, sheesh!

The more I learn, the more I know, that I don't know much.

thanks all, another really, really informative post.

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RobSol
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posted 05 March 2010 20:55         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are not alone Sean!

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bruno
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posted 06 March 2010 03:12         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am always overwhelmed, how you condense things down to a "simple" Sound and come up with this astonishing twists, dear Carla, which open so many doors!!!

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CharlieNorton
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posted 06 March 2010 19:33         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WoW

Plenty to digest there. I am having too much fun with the Livedetuning patch.

Denis! Like the plan, not sure I am implementing he envelope follower correctly, be a star and knock up a little demo patch. Hehehe
:-)

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CharlieNorton
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posted 07 March 2010 19:47         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

SampleLoopRepligation.kym

 
Continuing on the replication theme, tonight's experimentation has led to sample looping.

It has been fun. From flanger/phasor, to delay line and then kinda granular sounding at points.

Have not made too much effort with VCS and snapshots. Sorry.

Charlie

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Denis Goekdag
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posted 07 March 2010 22:45         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Charlie, will knock up a patch once I figure out enough Smalltalk to actually port the "slope" and "tilt" concepts to Kyma (currently they're Reaktor patches...).

Darn, I need a CPU upgrade for my head *grin*


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CharlieNorton
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posted 08 March 2010 11:18         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, I am tweaking my patch, and I am bored of hitting the latched gate control.
Triggers and gate generation is something I have not spent too much time investigating.
So, I turn to the expressions library, where, (would you believe it?!?) is something that pretty much suits the task.

1 bpm: ('drumstation140' sampleFileDuration s
bpm) removeUnits

This however releases the gate at the end of the duration, I would like to know how to control when it releases the gate. Potentially after a certain number of loops.

Many thanks for your thoughts

Charlie

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CharlieNorton
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posted 08 March 2010 12:38         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CharlieNorton:
Ok, I am tweaking my patch, and I am bored of hitting the latched gate control.
Triggers and gate generation is something I have not spent too much time investigating.
So, I turn to the expressions library, where, (would you believe it?!?) is something that pretty much suits the task.

1 bpm: ('drumstation140' sampleFileDuration s
bpm) removeUnits

This however releases the gate at the end of the duration, I would like to know how to control when it releases the gate. Potentially after a certain number of loops.

Many thanks for your thoughts

Charlie


Think this might be the starting thread.... mmmmm

sustainBy: sustains trigger
value when argu-ment is positive

OOOo I think I got it!,unfortunately I have to go paint door frames for the wife before she chops me up.

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CharlieNorton
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posted 08 March 2010 19:29         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

SampleLoopRepligationSelfTriggerBeta1.kym

 
Ok, I painted the door frames etc,

Now I have the loop retrig working, you can divide it down and as long as you choose even divisions it stays in time. Hurrah. - You have to update the file name in the gate box to update the loop length information. - is there a way around this? (feel free to point me at stuff to read)

The loop end point modulation does not work if the loop length is set to maximum. ( ahh should just make these controls Bipolar....

I am pretty sure there must be other ways of dealing with the sustain issue a little more elegantly.

'Charlie stares at the 'FromMemoryWriter' check box on the Sample Looper'.- You don't say!

All the best

Charlie

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cristian_vogel
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posted 09 March 2010 08:26         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SSC:
Thanks Charlie and Bruno for the inspiration behind this Sound. It uses the multiple detuned Oscillator idea, using an OscillatorBank for multiple oscillators. The wavetable for the oscillators is being captured lived with the MemoryWriter. So it is a kind of live detuner.

I love pan dimensional design warps like this.

It sounds like a chorus but in a completely new style.

another great Kyma moment, simply achieving greatness for the mind and ears alike.
Charlie and Bruno , diggin those sounds too ... Thanks!

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bar|none
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posted 09 March 2010 11:43         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is nice stuff. Thanks!

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CharlieNorton
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posted 10 March 2010 19:18         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

ReplicatedDownsampler.kym

 
I know what you are all asking, It keeps me awake at night as well. - What does a replicated down-sampler actually sound like?

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