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pete Member |
posted 26 February 2001 15:02
 
Hi Kymites I've been trying to work on a new form of synthesis namely "The Kwerk synthesizer" but I'm finding that trying to do it in the spare bits of time that I have is happening so slowly. so I thought I might throw it open to the forum to make it a joint effort. The necessary files involved in the first prototype are very large and therefore I would use a non forum method to distribute the files. The Idea is to take a constant type of sound i.e. a voice singing one note, a string section on one note and do a spectral analysis and loop the file. Then you find the average pitch , and the average amplitude of each partial so that you get a frozen sound . This is called the "body" . Then we subtract the body from the original looped analysis and for a new file called the Mid Kwerk. This Kwerk file cannot be played on its own but contains the quirks and deviations of the source sound. I think that's enough at the moment as it opens a lot of possiblities. Would anyone be interested in collaboration ? thanks [This message has been edited by pete (edited 26 February 2001).] IP: Logged | |
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dennis Member |
posted 27 February 2001 11:15
This sounds like a great idea, Pete! Unfortunately, I'm up to my nostrils in work right now or I'd volunteer to help out. Collaboration via the Forum appeals greatly to me. But for now, I'm just a cheerleader.  IP: Logged | |
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pete Member |
posted 27 February 2001 11:55
Thanks Dennis encouragement is a form of assitance aswell. Pete IP: Logged | |
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JohnCowan Member |
posted 28 February 2001 09:42
Pete, your idea sounds interesting. How can I help? IP: Logged | |
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opiumeater Member |
posted 28 February 2001 11:25
Hi pete. If you need a place to put the files, I will put them on my perm webspace. As long as its not over 60mb. IP: Logged | |
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pete Member |
posted 28 February 2001 14:31
Thanks John probably if I can get to you ,the kyma sounds and there assosiated file of where I've got to so far, then we can take it from there. also thanks opiomeater I would like to take you up on your kind offer . In total the files are about 3Mb . Could you maybe Email me with details on how to get them to your site.I'm not a web expert so I may need you to hold my hand. I'm usung a mac and I have used fetch before. My Email is pete@tape-gallery.co.uk [This message has been edited by pete (edited 28 February 2001).] IP: Logged | |
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kelvin Member |
posted 03 March 2001 10:34
Hi Pete, I think your idea, the synth, and collaboration, are great. I too had thought it would be good if users could get to gether on projects like that. I'm sure many have been spending their time building the same things or at least partial sounds. Not knowing that they are doing the same thing as some one else. And with time at least for some of us being so scarce. Of which case I well have to do a lot of cheerleading too on this one. Except maybe to share some ideas when they come up. Kelvin IP: Logged | |
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pete Member |
posted 03 March 2001 21:26
here are the sound files . Of course they won't play without the aiffs. IP: Logged | |
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armand Member |
posted 04 March 2001 10:02
Hi Pete, Sounds interesting, this idea is it like what you could do with the PPG Waveterm, or am I wrong. Armand. IP: Logged | |
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pete Member |
posted 04 March 2001 18:29
Hi Armand I'm not sure about the PPG but I don't think it used spectrol analysis , but I would be interested in what it is. Does any one know ?? [This message has been edited by pete (edited 05 March 2001).] IP: Logged | |
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kelvin Member |
posted 09 March 2001 18:42
Hi Pete, The waveterm could take a sample and break it down to a series of waves, they called a wave table and then the wave tables could be played back at any point forward, backwards, etc. at what ever speed. They were loaded into a PPG keyboard. Waldorf does this on the microwave series. It would be like timbre frame resynthesis on Synclavier. What you are talking about is a little like LA synthesis (Roland D50), or AI (korg M1). Where a sample of bow pulled, a scrape, an attack, pluck, etc. is added to another sound, in those cases a synth, saw, or what ever to reproduce sound. But yes your is different and could be quite interesting. Kelvin IP: Logged | |
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pete Member |
posted 10 March 2001 17:59
Yes I think the start kwerk would give similar sounds as the roland or korg but the mid kwerk is a bit different. The thing that inspired the kwerk was when I tried to time stretch sound to very long time i.e. 1 sec to 15 mins. probably using a similar techneque to the PPG. But all you heard was sine waves that moved so slow that they sounded like a synth and had no realisum. When I added a kwerk of my own voice looped at normal speed it put back the realisum . When I say added I don't mean mixed but added to the control of the sine waves. This put back some realisum and didn't sound like my voise at all. I wonder if the PPG did this one ?? thanks pete IP: Logged | |
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opiumeater Member |
posted 12 March 2001 21:48
Pete - give me the rest of the files so I can put them on my webspace. I put the sound file up. www.blocknet.net/KwerkModules2.kym email me at : opiumeater@charter.net IP: Logged | |
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G Hales Tooke Member |
posted 02 April 2001 13:54
.... erm thanks for the tip Pete ... and moving swiftly on.I'd like to be involved in the project. How do you want to go about doing this? IP: Logged | |
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G Hales Tooke Member |
posted 04 April 2001 08:37
Hi Pete WOW! Impressive  The principles of Kwerk seem close to some sounds I was kicking around a while back which I think will be of use / interest. I need to convert them to a similar design – It may take a few days for me to get my head around it all but I will most defiantly be back! Best [This message has been edited by G Hales Tooke (edited 04 April 2001).] IP: Logged | |
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pete Member |
posted 08 April 2001 17:12
Here is the beginnings of the new kwerk recorder. It does'nt yet work but it's getting close. Pete IP: Logged | |
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mathis Member |
posted 20 April 2001 14:31
dear pete, your idea sounds fascinating and convincing. what is actual state of development? if possible i´d like to collaborate on this invention. let us talk what i can do. best regards, mathis IP: Logged | |
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pete Member |
posted 25 April 2001 20:20
Hi Mathis I'm currently exhibiting at the AES but I'll be back in a few days and I'll get in touch Pete IP: Logged | |
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pete Member |
posted 02 May 2001 13:50
If you Email me on pdj@blueyonder.co.uk I'll send you a copy of the extensive corrispondance between John and my self and piont you to a web site where you can get the current files . Also John & Giles, Please note I've just got the new kwerk file maker working but its taking me longer than I'd hoped to get the Instructions together. Here is a working one that you can look at. regards Pete IP: Logged | |
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pete Member |
posted 24 May 2001 07:45
Hi John and Mathis See if this one works IP: Logged |
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