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franz Member	posted 21 February 2008 03:31 Hi! I´m looking for a mic and a preamp with very low inherent self- noise that would allow me to record detailed intimate sounds (like whispering, the sound of hair movement, the hiss of a burning match put into water etc.) in a very good quality. I was told, the sennheiser MKH 40 would be a good choice. Also, the Focusrite Red 8 seems to be a good choice. I´, using an AKG C 414 and an apogee mini- me right now but I´m not satisfied. Are there any other suggestions? Thanks a lot! franz [This message has been edited by franz (edited 21 February 2008).] [This message has been edited by franz (edited 21 February 2008).] IP: Logged
cristian_vogel Member	posted 21 February 2008 07:07 the best mics for this type of focussed recording is for DPA in my opinion.. they make some exceptional small microphones - and your preamp choice - well, depends how many you need, but the cleanest are digital - but the most enjoyable and creative are analogue. I use Cransesong, and can recommend Millenia and Neve.. Even the new TC preamp designs on their Konnekt series ADs are pretty great sounding on a budget. Apogee is also very good, and portable - but you have the Minime already ... IP: Logged
Luddy Member	posted 22 February 2008 01:11 Some of the transformerless Neumanns have an unbelievably low self-noise. You might check out the M-147 for example. I can't say I like that mic a lot, say, as a vocal mic, but the self-noise is so low it's almost scary. -Luddy IP: Logged
robertjarvis Member	posted 22 February 2008 05:32 I find the PD Audio recording set up with a couple of DPA 4060s and the Mic2496 Pre Amp to be a good quality option. Check out: http://www.core-sound.com/default.php IP: Logged
rafe Member	posted 22 February 2008 07:38 i am really surprised the noise floor on that combo is affecting you that dramatically, the apogee mini me noise floor is too high for your application or just not enough gain? has your 414 ever been in for repairs and if not which model of 414 is it, the new versions, xls ?, or older eb or uls model? or are you having to mic the performer from a distance ..ie live application? if none of these is accurate .. sorry just really surprised and thinking out loud because i just had the opposite experience .. the performer was lighting his cigarette during the decay of a sound and the flare of the match is obtrusive. c42's and fface 800 on board pres. do you have a rental agency in your area that you can rent a few high end mics or do you have a report with any dealers that will allow you to demo something? by way of a test, you could bring your apogee pres in and test a few of the high end mics they have in stock. If that mic pre has ample gain consider a ribbon mic, actually, even if you intend to change mic pres as the detail on the royer line is amazing and they are active so no special pre amp is required. but you won't want this to be a stage mic ... too delicate. fyi my go to mics are josephson c 42's and microtech gefell m300's and i use them in all kinds of locations. the c42's need more gain and full 48 v but the detail in them is excellent and the m300's have a little more open top end but really smooth. not quite on the same level as the schoeps or dpa's small diaphram condensers but fine mics capable of what you need to do and less than half the money. dpa's are around $2000. each and $3500 for a pair of schoeps. there was a good review of small diaphram condensers in electronic musician from a couple of years ago ... available on line - i think the article is called 'smokin condensers' ... hope this is helpful. rafe IP: Logged
dc Member	posted 22 February 2008 13:02 i second the DPA recommendation. absolutely fantastic microphones. my favorite configuration is a DPA microphone into a Neve preamp.. sounds amazing - dc IP: Logged
jesges Member	posted 22 February 2008 15:32 Mic: Schoeps, maybe something like this http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/supercardioid-proxi.html or a normal cardioid Preamp with neutral sound: Speck Electronics MicPre 5.0. Also Earthworks preamps are very neutral. IP: Logged
photonal Member	posted 23 February 2008 10:54 I use a budget Neumann TLM103 - it's Very sensitive and have got really good results with it - noticably better quality than the Shure Vocal mic I have. The Neumann is phantom powered by my Edirol Firewire Audio Interface. IP: Logged
carlos Member	posted 02 March 2008 11:12 DPAs are definitely great! IP: Logged

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