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JackMazzotti
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posted 10 January 2016 14:11         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi
I have a beta firmware continuum that uses MPE and it works fine with the new wave galleries (though I cannot map the sliders to xyz on the continuum). All other keyboard controlled Kyma sounds do not work at all whether Im using midi cables or Delora. Tau galleries for example do not work. Lippold doesn't know whats wrong either because he says his works.

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SSC
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posted 11 January 2016 08:04         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does everything continue to work in the release version of the Continuum firmware?

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JackMazzotti
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posted 11 January 2016 09:01         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
everything works fine in the continuum itself
i don't have the release firmware yet

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SSC
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posted 11 January 2016 13:34         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could you please send us one or two of the Sounds that do not work as expected? Please attach them to an email. Thanks!

p.s. by release firmware, I meant the previous, older firmware, not the one that hasn't been released yet

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JackMazzotti
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posted 11 January 2016 16:50         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Additive intervals or any other factory patch doesn't work.Only wave gallery sounds work but even then I can't use xyz to control sliders which should be a simple task.

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JackMazzotti
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posted 11 January 2016 17:24         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll also add that Kyma is using 50-60% of my mbp cpu. Why is that?

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SSC
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posted 12 January 2016 07:54         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Continuum sends key events, not X,Y,Z controllers. So first confirm that the Sound you want to control contains !KeyPitch, !KeyDown, !KeyVelocity and !KeyTimbre. In the Status window, it will tell you whether the currently playing Sound is keyboard controlled and the VCS has a small keyboard icon that will blink if the Sound contains those controls.

Can you control the Sound using the Fake Keyboard (from the Tools menu) or KymaControl?

[This message has been edited by SSC (edited 12 January 2016).]

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JackMazzotti
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posted 13 January 2016 19:50         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes the screen keyboard works. The continuum only plays from the middle of the keys and only does so sporadically. I know xyz is not a message but the xyz axis is sending out midi that I cannot map to faders unlike the wacom tablet or tablet on kyma control.

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Douglas Kraul
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posted 14 January 2016 06:25         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JackMazzotti:
Yes the screen keyboard works. The continuum only plays from the middle of the keys and only does so sporadically. I know xyz is not a message but the xyz axis is sending out midi that I cannot map to faders unlike the wacom tablet or tablet on kyma control.

Hi Jack,

Drop me an email at support@delora.com and I will try to work through the problem with you. I also have the latest Continuum beta firmware and am of course running with KymaConnect.

One question though: why are you using MPE and not the Continuum's native Kyma mode? The protocols are very similar but the Continuum's native Kyma mode has advantages.

Doug
www.delora.com

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JackMazzotti
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posted 14 January 2016 20:44         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Doug,

I don't know where the kyma mode is for the Continuum. Now if you can only make kyma audio connect too

Thanks for the help
Jack

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JackMazzotti
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posted 14 January 2016 21:09         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just found kyma mode

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JackMazzotti
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posted 14 January 2016 21:14         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and it works even worse than static velocity

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Douglas Kraul
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posted 15 January 2016 05:51         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JackMazzotti:
and it works even worse than static velocity

What version is your Continuum firmware?

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Douglas Kraul
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posted 15 January 2016 10:00         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JackMazzotti:
Yes the screen keyboard works. The continuum only plays from the middle of the keys and only does so sporadically. I know xyz is not a message but the xyz axis is sending out midi that I cannot map to faders unlike the wacom tablet or tablet on kyma control.

What exactly are you trying to do? Is it to use the Continuum as a multitouch XYZ surface? If so then you have to make sure that Kyma is not treating the MIDI from the Continuum as either MPE or Continuum mode MIDI.

First you must select "MIDI Configuration" from the DSP menu. Look for the setting “Continuum and MPE compatible” and set it to NO. Next open up Kyma Preferences and then click on “Performance”. Make sure that the VCS MIDI setting is “Other”. These settings should disable special MIDI handling Kyma uses.

Now set your Continuum so that it is not in MPE or Kyma mode. You can choose what MIDI CC is used for the Y and Z axis; X will always use pitchbend, relative to the MIDI note corresponding to the initial touch, for the X-axis. The defaults of CC74 for Y and CC11 for Z are good choices.

Finally you must decide on the number of touches you want to handle and set the Continuum to that polyphony. However, keep in mind how the Continuum sends touch events. It uses one MIDI channel for each touch event. So if you want 2 simultaneous touches then your Kyma sound will have to react to channel 1 and channel 2. If you are trying to map touch XYZ to VCS parameters you will have to be sure an also assign the correct MIDI channel to each mapping.

Note that this is probably not going to work as expected unless you further configure the Continuum. The first touch event is not by default assigned to channel 1. It is assigned to the next available channel after the most recently still active touch event. If you want a predictable assignment like the initial touch is always channel 1 then take a look at the Continuum user guide as there are settings that influence how channels are allocated.

This gets you basic XYZ control but if you are also looking to trigger notes then this becomes much more difficult. You Kyma sounds will need to have internal MIDI routing to direct notes from different MIDI channels to different voices. This means that the MidiVoice sound can no longer be used to replicate nor assign voices to notes. At some point you may find it more productive to build your sounds around the built-in Continuum support.

Also be aware that the Continuum's XYZ output can sometimes produce surprises when you release a touch. The final resting value of X, Y, and Z are not necessarily the value your touch represented. I suggest playing with it to see what I mean. This is another area where the built-in Continuum support helps.

By the way, I suggest you reframe this thread into a question and post that on the Kyma7 Q&A. Other users would benefit I think. If you do that I'll provide an answer from what I have written here.

Doug www.delora.com

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