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Magnus Lindberg Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Hi, In Steinbergs major update to their sequensers they have made it possible to load external equipment as Instruments in the VST environment. Access has released a Virus that through USB can be loaded as a virtual instrument. Is this something that interests SSC? I would very much like this to happen with the KYMA. Would be just excellent! :-) M IP: Logged |
bobd Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Yeah, also for MAS or AU environment. IP: Logged |
SSC Administrator |
![]() ![]() ![]() Yes, this is of interest. Is there any publicly available documentation? IP: Logged |
Magnus Lindberg Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Hi, On the Access site they describe it like this: "A scalable USB link connects the VIRUS to a Mac or PC for total integration of synth and studio. The VIRUSControl™ plug-in automatically detects and connects the synth, ensuring a hassle-free configuration every time. From inside a host application, the plug-in enables the new VIRUS hardware to appear as a multi-channel VST/AU soft-synth with up to 4 sub-mixes (or 2 × stereo). Access’ proprietary driver technology makes VIRUS TI the world’s first hardware synthesizer with sample-accuracy timing and a delay-compensated audio/MIDI connection." On the the Pinnacle/Steinberg site it´s like this: "New MIDI Device Maps / Panels support direct access to external MIDI hardware with user-definable graphic editing panels. Import VST Mixer Maps or create your own editing panels, even for the Track Inspector or the mixer’s channel strip. Studio Connections “Total Recall” support (optional integration of Yamaha’s Studio Manager 2). The first step into a new dimension of software/hardware integration. This modular editing system builds a powerful bridge between the virtual and physical studio. Opening a project can recall an entire studio setup within seconds. External FX Plugins allow for direct integration of external hardware effects processors into the VST audio mixer. Use your favorite outboard gear just like plugins – including automatic delay compensation." Total integration with KYMA would be really, really, really nice. I guess the Steinberg SDK´s would do - for their hosts. For other hosts I don´t know. I really hope this is doable with the KYMA. I really, really do. ;-) M IP: Logged |
BillBlack Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Are you looking to access Kyma through Nuendo as an instrument or more like a DAW? I have been after Symbolic to create a stand alone core audio driver similar to the Digidesign audio driver so I can use the Capybara as an audio front end. I use Nuendo for certain music productions and I used to manage tech support for Steinberg in the early 90's IP: Logged |
eddym Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() I'd love to see both. Loading Kyma as a virtual instrument/effect from within a DAW (I personally use Digital Performer) to process sounds, as well as the Capy as an audio front end for any application, selectable from within Core Audio (Mac OS X). Rgds, Eduardo Martinez IP: Logged |
keph Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() what the TI appears to be is more like the powercore or UAD DSP cards. VST/RTAS/AU plugins which the processing is offloaded. audio is shuttled into the DAW via usb or directly out. i could be wrong, but the update to the external instrument part of cubase is closer to bringing a sound diver like application into the sequencer, something that is rumor to be forthcoming with logic audio. this is great for external synths and effects that don't have an easier editting interface. i think DSP farms with AU/VST/RTAS integration is going to become more common. i would love for the nord modular G2 to be able to function like the Access TI. IP: Logged |
armand Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() It is a good idea but it turned out bad for Waldorf remember the AFB16 analogue filter bank the first "analogue plug-in'" with VST front-end. Also, as far I know most of the time you must pay for these kind of protocols. -Armand IP: Logged |
BillBlack Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() I would just love to have a Core audio driver to use my 320 with Nuendo ...wait I already started a thread on that my bad? IP: Logged |
R Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() And don't forget the ASIO driver so we can use the 320 with NUENDO... Wait...someone already asked about that. It looks like many of us have jumped PT in favor of NUENDO...in my case it was for surround...its great! IP: Logged |
Magnus Lindberg Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Any news on this? SSC? IP: Logged |
SSC Administrator |
![]() ![]() ![]() Still working on it. Believe me, we will let you all know as soon as it is ready (you will probably hear us cheering all the way from Illinois). Thanks! IP: Logged |
Magnus Lindberg Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Whohoooooo! Go, go, go!!! You are the best!!! IP: Logged |
armand Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() It doesn't look any good about the patent issues of the AudioUnit protocol... quote: However, negotiations with Apple Computer over the AudioUnit protocol were difficult and involved several patent issues. Apple Computer’s involvement included an Apple-branded custom controller for their Logic Pro software, based on the original Virus design. This portable device, called the TiPod, was scheduled for release at the Paris Apple Expo in September ‘05. Access Music sued Apple Computer over copyright infringement, delaying the imminent release of the Virus TI-series longer than we ever expected. After months of legal battle, Access Music won the lawsuit last week, forcing Apple Computer to cancel the TiPod (Steve Jobs apparently cancelled his Paris keynote speech as well), allowing Access Music to finally release the new Virus series as Virus D, featuring all announced TI synth features including greatly increased polyphony, 2 new oscillator types, a per-patch programmable arpeggiator, 16×2 delay/reverb fx, embedded singles in multi mode. Due to legal restrictions, the VirusControl software will only be supported as VST instrument on WindowsXP, not as AudioUnit on Mac OS X. The new D-series include IP: Logged |
keph Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() that is a wacky story. not quite sure what to make of it except perhaps a co-development deal gone bad. i worked directly with apple corporate/legal more a few times and one thing i learned was to get everything down in contract before taking a single step forward towards your business/production side. i think the model SSC would be following in (where they to develop this) is Unverisal Audio UAD, TC Electronics Powercore, or Waves APA. sorta a pluggo meets APA. no doubt it would be tricky to pull off one way or another. IP: Logged |
droolmaster0 Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Is that quote for real? Nothing about this has been posted at any other synth forum that I've seen, and nothing has been posted on the Access forum either. There are people who have been drooling and whining about this synth for quite awhile so it would be relatively big news, I think. I'm more of a Waldorf guy, myself IP: Logged |
yenorom Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() This souinds like a fake to me, what would the legal restrictions be that mean Access can't build an au just a vst. Anybody can make audio units you don't have to ask apple's permission. IP: Logged |
armand Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Sorry, I was misinformed. The TiPod story ...why did I believe that... Again, sorry for this misunderstanding. -Armand IP: Logged |
Bill Meadows Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() quote: I use Kyma with Digital Performer all the time. I use digital I/O to route audio from DP to Kyma and back. (An all-digital effects loop.) Works great. IP: Logged |
Scot_Solida Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() I also have no trouble using Kyma alongside Cubase SX 3.1. Cubase compensates for the I/O delays of hardware effects and instruments, and will even calculate the delay for you. Like Bill, I keep Kyma on the digital I/O of my audio interface. Works great, though Kyma's GUI can get a little sluggish with both of them running. Still, I would love to use my Capy as an audio interface. It sounds much better than my MOTU 828MkII. As for the Access thing....well, I can't see that they should have had troubles with this and others wouldn't. As has been pointed out, TC Electronics and Universal Audio both have done the same sort of thing with audio effects, and Lexicon's new MX200 is a dedicated hardware device that can be controlled and automated via a VST or AU plug-in. Can't be that big of a deal. I forsee a time when a lot of hardware will be shipped with VST and AU plug-in interfaces, in much the same way that it became de facto for manufacturers to ship editor/librarian software with their synths and effects. IP: Logged |
Sylvain KEPLER Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() quote:...I wouldn't pretend these MOTU 828mkII sound much better than the Capy (since I run 3 of these) but sure, that'd be a great thing to count the Capy320 as a great sounding audio interface. I'm looking forward to it. [This message has been edited by Sylvain KEPLER (edited 10 September 2005).] IP: Logged |
Magnus Lindberg Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Hi, the way I see it, no big VST implementation is needed. Just a small VST plug that reads songposition and sends it to the KYMA timeline - and the corresponding implementation on the KYMA side. MIDI can still be channeled through the outside - even though a soft MIDI connection would be nice. Automation in the host towards KYMA is unecessary - the timeline being what it is regarding autmation. If SSC was to do the big implementation, with an audio console inside the VST host - whohooo! - it would make my miserable life so much easier, and creative! But, I would be happy if they did the small one. Cheers M IP: Logged |
Magnus Lindberg Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() I can´t help myself, I have to ask - SSC? On what scale are you implementing? A smaller intergration or all the way? Audio with delay calculation/reporting/compensation to the host for example must be a major undertaking with a system as complex as KYMA. :-) IP: Logged |
RobRayle Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() I'd love to see this happen as well. My priorities would be: 1. VST driver that allows Capy control thru the firewire interface rather than over MIDI. My sequencer should be able to talk to the Capy the same way the Continuum Fingerboard does - over firewire. 2. ASIO driver would be nice too, but not as important. IP: Logged |
JackRosete Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() I have a TI Polar running within Logic and the implementation isn't as stable as Access would have you believe, although their recent firmware update has improved things 99%. I've been hearing a great deal about a protocol called OSC recently, does anyone know much about it? Kyma running as an fx/instrument plugin within a host sequencer (along the lines of Reaktor)would be amazing! Perhaps an initial implementation would allow you to open individual Kyma sounds as mini fx/instrument plugins (like you can do with MAX/MSP objects). Imagine the possibilities! IP: Logged |
Magnus Lindberg Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Curious as usual - any news on progress on this? M IP: Logged |
photonal Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() I thought a lot of it had already been implemented ![]() ![]() [This message has been edited by photonal (edited 22 June 2006).] IP: Logged |
KX Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Yes, Kyma could be integrated the same way in cubase SX3. Simply add and external fx track. IP: Logged |
Magnus Lindberg Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Yes, I use it the same way in Cubase, as ex FX and ex Synth - but the excellent Timeline goes to waste - would need some kind of simple VST/AU integration to read the host. Would be useful. M IP: Logged |
Magnus Lindberg Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Any news on this? IP: Logged |
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