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Magnus Lindberg
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posted 22 November 2004 03:23         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

In Steinbergs major update to their sequensers they have made it possible to load external equipment as Instruments in the VST environment. Access has released a Virus that through USB can be loaded as a virtual instrument. Is this something that interests SSC?

I would very much like this to happen with the KYMA. Would be just excellent! :-)

M

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bobd
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posted 22 November 2004 13:58         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, also for MAS or AU environment.

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SSC
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posted 23 November 2004 11:19         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, this is of interest. Is there any publicly available documentation?

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Magnus Lindberg
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posted 24 November 2004 07:20         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

On the Access site they describe it like this:

"A scalable USB link connects the VIRUS to a Mac or PC for total integration of synth and studio. The VIRUSControl™ plug-in automatically detects and connects the synth, ensuring a hassle-free configuration every time.

From inside a host application, the plug-in enables the new VIRUS hardware to appear as a multi-channel VST/AU soft-synth with up to 4 sub-mixes (or 2 × stereo). Access’ proprietary driver technology makes VIRUS TI the world’s first hardware synthesizer with sample-accuracy timing and a delay-compensated audio/MIDI connection."

On the the Pinnacle/Steinberg site it´s like this:

"New MIDI Device Maps / Panels support direct access to external MIDI hardware with user-definable graphic editing panels. Import VST Mixer Maps or create your own editing panels, even for the Track Inspector or the mixer’s channel strip.

Studio Connections “Total Recall” support (optional integration of Yamaha’s Studio Manager 2). The first step into a new dimension of software/hardware integration. This modular editing system builds a powerful bridge between the virtual and physical studio. Opening a project can recall an entire studio setup within seconds.

External FX Plugins allow for direct integration of external hardware effects processors into the VST audio mixer. Use your favorite outboard gear just like plugins – including automatic delay compensation."

Total integration with KYMA would be really, really, really nice.

I guess the Steinberg SDK´s would do - for their hosts. For other hosts I don´t know.

I really hope this is doable with the KYMA.

I really, really do. ;-)

M


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BillBlack
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posted 29 November 2004 03:01         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you looking to access Kyma through Nuendo as an instrument or more like a DAW? I have been after Symbolic to create a stand alone core audio driver similar to the Digidesign audio driver so I can use the Capybara as an audio front end. I use Nuendo for certain music productions and I used to manage tech support for Steinberg in the early 90's

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eddym
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posted 29 November 2004 10:41         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd love to see both. Loading Kyma as a virtual instrument/effect from within a DAW (I personally use Digital Performer) to process sounds, as well as the Capy as an audio front end for any application, selectable from within Core Audio (Mac OS X).

Rgds,

Eduardo Martinez

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keph
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posted 29 November 2004 22:22         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

what the TI appears to be is more like the powercore or UAD DSP cards. VST/RTAS/AU plugins which the processing is offloaded. audio is shuttled into the DAW via usb or directly out.

i could be wrong, but the update to the external instrument part of cubase is closer to bringing a sound diver like application into the sequencer, something that is rumor to be forthcoming with logic audio. this is great for external synths and effects that don't have an easier editting interface.

i think DSP farms with AU/VST/RTAS integration is going to become more common. i would love for the nord modular G2 to be able to function like the Access TI.



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armand
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posted 30 November 2004 10:04         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is a good idea but it turned out bad for Waldorf remember the AFB16 analogue filter bank the first "analogue plug-in'" with VST front-end.

Also, as far I know most of the time you must pay for these kind of protocols.

-Armand

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BillBlack
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posted 03 December 2004 02:05         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would just love to have a Core audio driver to use my 320 with Nuendo ...wait I already started a thread on that my bad?

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R
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posted 03 December 2004 08:41         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And don't forget the ASIO driver so we can use the 320 with NUENDO...
Wait...someone already asked about that.

It looks like many of us have jumped PT in favor of NUENDO...in my case it was for surround...its great!

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Magnus Lindberg
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posted 10 March 2005 04:41         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any news on this? SSC?

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SSC
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posted 10 March 2005 12:02         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still working on it. Believe me, we will let you all know as soon as it is ready (you will probably hear us cheering all the way from Illinois). Thanks!

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Magnus Lindberg
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posted 11 March 2005 03:40         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whohoooooo! Go, go, go!!! You are the best!!!

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armand
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posted 07 September 2005 19:56         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It doesn't look any good about the patent issues of the AudioUnit protocol...

quote:
"After months of rumours and speculation, Access Music regrets to announce the TI series are cancelled. The original TI concept linked the Virus synthesizer to your computer with VIRUScontrol, a companion software product which ports the hardware synth into a host sequencer for use as a sample-accurate VST/AudioUnit instrument, simultaneously offering 2-way audio and MIDI connectivity, control surface functionality, editor and librarian functions, and more.

However, negotiations with Apple Computer over the AudioUnit protocol were difficult and involved several patent issues. Apple Computer’s involvement included an Apple-branded custom controller for their Logic Pro software, based on the original Virus design. This portable device, called the TiPod, was scheduled for release at the Paris Apple Expo in September ‘05. Access Music sued Apple Computer over copyright infringement, delaying the imminent release of the Virus TI-series longer than we ever expected. After months of legal battle, Access Music won the lawsuit last week, forcing Apple Computer to cancel the TiPod (Steve Jobs apparently cancelled his Paris keynote speech as well), allowing Access Music to finally release the new Virus series as Virus D, featuring all announced TI synth features including greatly increased polyphony, 2 new oscillator types, a per-patch programmable arpeggiator, 16×2 delay/reverb fx, embedded singles in multi mode. Due to legal restrictions, the VirusControl software will only be supported as VST instrument on WindowsXP, not as AudioUnit on Mac OS X.

The new D-series include
Virus D – desktop
Virus KD – keyboard
Virus D’reck – 19” rack
Virus D-control – TDM plug-in designed for Digidesign© ICON D-Control & D-Command *
(* Virus D-control is the only version supported for Mac OS X and requires a complete Digidesign ICON system)"

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keph
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posted 07 September 2005 21:26         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that is a wacky story. not quite sure what to make of it except perhaps a co-development deal gone bad. i worked directly with apple corporate/legal more a few times and one thing i learned was to get everything down in contract before taking a single step forward towards your business/production side.

i think the model SSC would be following in (where they to develop this) is Unverisal Audio UAD, TC Electronics Powercore, or Waves APA. sorta a pluggo meets APA. no doubt it would be tricky to pull off one way or another.

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droolmaster0
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posted 08 September 2005 08:48         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is that quote for real? Nothing about this has been posted at any other synth forum that I've seen, and nothing has been posted on the Access forum either. There are people who have been drooling and whining about this synth for quite awhile so it would be relatively big news, I think.

I'm more of a Waldorf guy, myself

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yenorom
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posted 08 September 2005 09:18         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This souinds like a fake to me, what would the legal restrictions be that mean Access can't build an au just a vst. Anybody can make audio units you don't have to ask apple's permission.

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armand
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posted 08 September 2005 16:05         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, I was misinformed. The TiPod story ...why did I believe that...

Again, sorry for this misunderstanding.

-Armand

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Bill Meadows
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posted 08 September 2005 23:35         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by eddym:
I'd love to see both. Loading Kyma as a virtual instrument/effect from within a DAW (I personally use Digital Performer) to process sounds, as well as the Capy as an audio front end for any application, selectable from within Core Audio (Mac OS X).

I use Kyma with Digital Performer all the time. I use digital I/O to route audio from DP to Kyma and back. (An all-digital effects loop.) Works great.


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Scot_Solida
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posted 10 September 2005 09:14         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also have no trouble using Kyma alongside Cubase SX 3.1. Cubase compensates for the I/O delays of hardware effects and instruments, and will even calculate the delay for you. Like Bill, I keep Kyma on the digital I/O of my audio interface. Works great, though Kyma's GUI can get a little sluggish with both of them running.

Still, I would love to use my Capy as an audio interface. It sounds much better than my MOTU 828MkII.

As for the Access thing....well, I can't see that they should have had troubles with this and others wouldn't. As has been pointed out, TC Electronics and Universal Audio both have done the same sort of thing with audio effects, and Lexicon's new MX200 is a dedicated hardware device that can be controlled and automated via a VST or AU plug-in. Can't be that big of a deal. I forsee a time when a lot of hardware will be shipped with VST and AU plug-in interfaces, in much the same way that it became de facto for manufacturers to ship editor/librarian software with their synths and effects.

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Sylvain KEPLER
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posted 10 September 2005 13:50         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Still, I would love to use my Capy as an audio interface. It sounds much better than my MOTU 828MkII.
...I wouldn't pretend these MOTU 828mkII sound much better than the Capy (since I run 3 of these) but sure, that'd be a great thing to count the Capy320 as a great sounding audio interface. I'm looking forward to it.

[This message has been edited by Sylvain KEPLER (edited 10 September 2005).]

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Magnus Lindberg
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posted 28 September 2005 04:50         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

the way I see it, no big VST implementation is needed. Just a small VST plug that reads songposition and sends it to the KYMA timeline - and the corresponding implementation on the KYMA side. MIDI can still be channeled through the outside - even though a soft MIDI connection would be nice. Automation in the host towards KYMA is unecessary - the timeline being what it is regarding autmation.

If SSC was to do the big implementation, with an audio console inside the VST host - whohooo! - it would make my miserable life so much easier, and creative!

But, I would be happy if they did the small one.

Cheers

M

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Magnus Lindberg
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posted 01 November 2005 15:39         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can´t help myself, I have to ask - SSC? On what scale are you implementing? A smaller intergration or all the way? Audio with delay calculation/reporting/compensation to the host for example must be a major undertaking with a system as complex as KYMA.

:-)

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RobRayle
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posted 01 December 2005 21:03         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'd love to see this happen as well. My priorities would be:

1. VST driver that allows Capy control thru the firewire interface rather than over MIDI. My sequencer should be able to talk to the Capy the same way the Continuum Fingerboard does - over firewire.

2. ASIO driver would be nice too, but not as important.

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JackRosete
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posted 02 December 2005 09:12         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a TI Polar running within Logic and the implementation isn't as stable as Access would have you believe, although their recent firmware update has improved things 99%. I've been hearing a great deal about a protocol called OSC recently, does anyone know much about it?

Kyma running as an fx/instrument plugin within a host sequencer (along the lines of Reaktor)would be amazing! Perhaps an initial implementation would allow you to open individual Kyma sounds as mini fx/instrument plugins (like you can do with MAX/MSP objects). Imagine the possibilities!

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Magnus Lindberg
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posted 21 June 2006 03:24         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Curious as usual - any news on progress on this?

M

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photonal
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posted 22 June 2006 05:10         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought a lot of it had already been implemented I've been auxing signals from Logic Pro and Live to Kyma and back for a while now. Does Nuendo / Cubase SX have an object allowing you to send to external audio channels within a plugin series? if so, then you can integrate Kyma in the same way as it's possible in Logic Pro. (I'm referring to internal application connections via the firewire interface rather than auxing via a digital/analog signal - although the internal firewire connection could be considered a digital connection....! Maybe I should not have answered the query!! Hope I haven't confused the issue too much

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KX
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posted 22 June 2006 13:38         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Kyma could be integrated the same way in cubase SX3.
Simply add and external fx track.

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Magnus Lindberg
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posted 25 June 2006 06:50         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I use it the same way in Cubase, as ex FX and ex Synth - but the excellent Timeline goes to waste - would need some kind of simple VST/AU integration to read the host.

Would be useful.

M

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Magnus Lindberg
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posted 19 March 2007 11:53         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any news on this?

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