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Author | Topic: Speakers for live performing? |
SSC Administrator |
![]() ![]() ![]() Do any of you have experiences or recommendations with respect to speakers for a live peformance 5.1 surround setup? Are you using studio monitors? How large an area can studio monitors fill comfortably? Any preferences regarding powered/passive speakers? IP: Logged |
mathis Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() can you be more specific which room sizes you think of? how many people you wanna adress? you want a diffuse surround field like in cinema or point sources? what spls to you want to be able to get? stereo: two problems. IP: Logged |
SSC Administrator |
![]() ![]() ![]() What I was imagining was room-filling, audience-immersing sound, but with the possibility of localizable and/or moving sound sources. But I didn't have a specific situation in mind. I was more curious to hear what people's experiences have been with different room sizes, different speakers, different speaker arrangements. IP: Logged |
garth paine Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() I have a set of Tannoy i8's with TX1 processors and a sub - they work well in live performance I think. I have used Tannoy T10's for larger spaces and they sound fab in a larger space (ie. Sonic residues festival concerts). Although you have seen me use Genelecs for the concert in Leicester, I strongly beleive that the use of studio speakers for public concert/address systems where the listener is not in a 'near field' position is a bad move. In the UK at least, people love doing surround concerts (usually 8+ channels) using Genelec speakers, but I think this leaves holes in the image and the speakers are not designed to 'project' in the same way that PA speakers are - hourses for courses so to speak. As proof of my commitment to this approach, I have studio monitiors and PA speakers, and have tried using one or the other for each task, and feel the I8's don't work at all in the studio, but project really well in public spaces with good width and detail and yet controlled dispersion, on the other hand the DynAudio BM15A's I use in the studio do not work for me in public spaces - the dispersion angles are too restricted (to suit near field monitoring) and do not retain detail over longer listening distances as they do not 'project' as the Tannoys do. Of course loud-speakers are a subjective choice - I personally perfer Tannoy, Turbosound, Meyer, and some of the new Italian speakers such as DB. For what it is worth - hope that helps a little Garth IP: Logged |
sm Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() my xperience is that 5.1 + studio monitors only work for "livingroom" sized venues. everything bigger definitely needs more speakers with more power to achieve an immersive effect without holes in the spatial resolution. its also nice to have more than one subwoofer. IP: Logged |
eddym Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Hi: I have not done live surround myself, but was reminded about a local sound sculpture/concert done by noted educator/enginer/musician Dave Moulton (Golden Ears originator) here in Massachusetts last year. The room could accomodate 40-60 people, if I remember correctly, and the sound was great from everywhere in the room. Dave designs his own wide dispersion and full-range speakers, which he believes work better. Great guy as well. Here is his website if you choose to contact him directly: Rgds, Eddy Martinez IP: Logged |
robertjarvis Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() I'm afraid I'm one of those Genelec users (at the moment). I'm working with four (or five) genelec 1091s and the 7060 sub. Of course they're small but for 4mx4m spaces the sound to my ears is pretty good, especially if hung from the ceiling; and they appear to be pretty indestructible (metal grills - so audience proof!). For larger rooms I think I would move towards a good quality PA system, such as Bose, or use more speakers. As I am generally working in smaller spaces the above set up is fine, especially if I can take on board the speakers and room's strengths and weaknesses in my actual composition process. IP: Logged |
more Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() i'm currently using (5) HHB circle 8 active nearfields w/ an alesis s1 sub for small gallery settings. but i feel that their limits are being pushed even in this setting. Especially later in the evening opening night when you have to compete with the mildly intoxicated socialite hob nobbing IP: Logged |
capy66n320user Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Multiple listener presentation of surround sound with all participants experiencing the mix in the sweet-spot is obtainable with the Lake Technology TheaterPhone HSM6240 licensed to Dolby Labs marketed under the trademark Dolby Headphone. http://www.dolby.com/dolbyheadphone/ http://www.fostex.com/index2.asp?file=products/lake/hsm6240 Ten headphones can be driven by a Fostex PH-100 distrbution amplifier. The PH-100 also has a cascade input / output feature for daisy chaining multiple units as necessary. [This message has been edited by capy66n320user (edited 01 August 2003).] IP: Logged |
robertjarvis Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() This TheaterPhone sounds interesting. Has anyone played with it? If so, how realistic is it? Robert IP: Logged |
capy66n320user Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Hi Robert, I concur with the eloquent statements made from the "Reviews of Dolby Headphone Technology" found at the bottom of the web page: http://www.dolby.com/dolbyheadphone/ You may also post your question to the Headwize chat forum: http://www.headwize.com Additional info/reviews/manuals are available at the Lake Technology Limited web site: http://www.laketechnology.com/driver.asp?page=main/home Please note that, for what its worth, Dolby has issued the following statement at the end of the HSM6240_ug_lor.pdf document: "While Dolby Headphone is an advanced and sophisticated technology of remarkable performance, it is not a substitute for speaker-based reproduction where critical assessment of the program is required. Suitability for these or any other purposes are neither expressed nor implied." Also, not a practical answer for everyone, but you can audtion the TheaterPhone in Nashville, TN at: http://macmidimusic.com/prod.itml/icOid/1719 IP: Logged |
yasuski Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() I have tested 5 near-field speakers with 1 sub woofer for my live performance. The speakers are Fostex NF-1A. The dimension of the gig space was about 30m * 40m with 40 audience. I felt the speakers sounded good and they had enough power for this situation. Althouh the acoustic of place was too much reflections. So, it was very difficult to tune the sound. I hope I would test my audio system with good acoustics. The best speakers I have ever use was Meyer's UPM-1P. IP: Logged |
KX Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() I'm new to Kyma (a few weeks) and I bought the Kyma system for ONE main project, wich was spreading the sound into 64 or more speakers. My "absolute" idea, 8 years ago, was to take a sound and split "EVERY" single harmonic accross their own loudspeaker. Then I was warned that buying an infinite amount of speakers would be impossible !!... so I just bought as many monitors/amplifiers my budget could allow me (while still thinking of getting a Kyma system) and did some tests. From what I "learned", proximity is the way to get to the point. Assuming this sentence is true: the mind has to ajust itself to the outside world the same way the outside world has to ajust to the mind, I have never experienced a real communication when more than 5 or 6 BTW thanks to everybody at SS for everything (hardware, software, humanware!..) P.S. If I don't spend too much time on my Capy, I'll learn English..! IP: Logged |
garth paine Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() XK wrote "was to take a sound and split "EVERY" single harmonic accross their own loudspeaker. Then I was warned that buying an infinite amount of speakers would be impossible !!" Tempo Reale have been doing some stuff like this for Berio works - check out the European Journal Organised Sound 8.2 (due out in a month), which has an article about such an installation - they achieve very interesting textual changes by moving frequency source within fixed images, and also moving the image of only some frequency bands - most interesting IP: Logged |
KX Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() That's exactly what I have in mind. I achieved very satisfying "preliminary" result in a 8 speaker system. Preliminary because I use to process compostions by Ligeti or Xenakis and a few very basic compos of myself. Can you forward me a specific link to the European Journal p.s. For anyone of you who knows Steve Reich's "8 lines", IP: Logged |
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