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Bill Meadows Member |
posted 19 October 2003 14:39
 
So, now that there is "tweaky", will this Forum go away? It is redundant to have both, and it makes it harder to keep up with everything. I must admit that I prefer the format of the Forum - it is simple, concise, and almost elegant compared to the "tweaky" site. Why fix something that's not broken? IP: Logged |
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KX Member |
posted 19 October 2003 15:17
"tweaky"??? what's this? Karl IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 19 October 2003 17:14
The TWiki and the Forum provide two different ways of organizing information. If you like, you can check the TWiki every day and click a link to go to the Forum. Examples of the kind of information that belongs on a TWiki: What kinds of information fit better in the Kyma forum? The forum is ideal for carrying on 'conversations'. However, there is a lot of valuable information distributed throughout this forum that is difficult to access after the thread has grown cold. The TWiki is more like a database of information to which everyone in the Kyma community can contribute. As a database, it is more easily searchable and the information is organized by topic, rather than by threads (which often meander interestingly from one topic to another over the course of the thread). We would like to keep both the Forum and the TWiki going in parallel for a transitional period. After that, we can determine whether one could supercede the other (for example, it may be possible to configure the TWiki to have a forum-like area for conversations). To participate in the grand experiment, please visit http://www.symbolicsound.com/tweaky IP: Logged |
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taylor12k Member |
posted 19 October 2003 18:30
thanks for that info.. makes sense.. as i was wondering the same thing.. and, hey, i have a great idea.. (well, an idea that i'd like to see!).. how about a live chat area... is that possible in the tweaky? where you log in, and can just chat with others, would be great for totally instant feedback, help, or general kyma support....
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mmarsh Member |
posted 19 October 2003 19:48
quote: I just registered and have been poking around. We use Wiki at work and it is very handy. I like the implementation SSC has set up. Very nice! Mike IP: Logged |
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photonal Member |
posted 24 October 2003 10:22
...and Kyma.X BugReports? Here or Tweaky? Kyma.X in OS9 seems to be broken on my Mac (OS9.2.2) I can't work any of the window widgets like scroll bars, buttons in the sound browser etc Andrew IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 24 October 2003 12:43
Ideally bug reports should go in the Know section of the TWiki. (when you say you can't scroll, do you mean the scroll bar is absent? or that it doesn't respond?) IP: Logged |
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RXB Member |
posted 26 October 2003 14:20
For what it's worth, I cast my vote for one forum only; namely, this one. [This message has been edited by RXB (edited 26 October 2003).] IP: Logged |
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kelvin Member |
posted 26 October 2003 14:28
For what it's worth, Safari doesn't seem to work with TWiki. And you can't get to the reg page. I can with IE. Kelvin IP: Logged |
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bfelton Member |
posted 26 October 2003 15:08
I'll second the vote for this forum over the tweaky. Not sure how much of the grief is Safari related and how much other factors, but... I don't care for it. Bill IP: Logged |
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giantbrain Member |
posted 27 October 2003 01:02
Safari works correctly for me. Scott Holden IP: Logged |
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photonal Member |
posted 27 October 2003 08:54
quote: All the window controls are present but they do not respond to the mouse. IP: Logged |
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wallerian Member |
posted 27 October 2003 08:56
Once you get used to the way Tweaky works, it is great. I was confused at first, but I like that everything can be kept organized and more structured and that we don't have to poke around old posts to somehow find stuff. (Sometimes you may not find very helpful and interesting things in the forum if you for some reason don't use the right keywords) I guess the more content it will have, the better we will appreciate its potential and functionality. We only have to get used to what goes where. Tweaky is like Kyma. It is what you make out of it. IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 27 October 2003 10:56
"For what it's worth, Safari doesn't seem to work with TWiki. And you can't get to the reg page." To register using Safari, log in as TWikiGuest and use the password: guest. Then you can click register. You will receive an email to tell you when your login has been activated. IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 27 October 2003 11:17
"Tweaky is like Kyma. It is what you make out of it." Yes! kyma•tweaky is evolving and will become more useful as it gains in content. We invite you to try out the 'Connect' section for posting an upcoming event or describing one of your albums or other creations. You can also use your User page to describe your work or attach an interesting photo of yourself and/or your studio. We will keep both forums active during the transition so your questions can always be answered. Thanks for giving the TWiki a try! IP: Logged |
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bfelton Member |
posted 27 October 2003 15:33
"Tweaky is like Kyma. It is what you make out of it." Well, yes, but that in no way implies that if you like Kyma, you'll like tweaky, or vice versa. One might as well assert "Tweaky is like Kyma, they're both software" and have an equally informative and helpful remark. cheers, IP: Logged |
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wallerian Member |
posted 27 October 2003 16:42
quote: I agree with you. It doesn't imply that you have to like it. Regards, [This message has been edited by wallerian (edited 27 October 2003).] IP: Logged |
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kelvin Member |
posted 28 October 2003 18:02
I got safari to work by pasteing the address in and it came up, I then logged in as a guest. Not one to be a complainer, but I don't like it either. Maybe I'm just not giving it a chance. But first of all I can't even figure out what is new and I haven't read before, or when it was posted. I am i missing something? I like being able to see at a glance if there is something new there for me to check out. Kelvin IP: Logged |
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KX Member |
posted 28 October 2003 19:46
Here is how to track last changes according to Kurt: "In the User section there is a link to WhatsNew, which lists the 10 most recent changes to the topics in each section. From that page, you can click on the topic name to view the topic. Alternatively, in each section, the More... link (at the left side of this page) will take you to a page where there is an option to view all of the most recent changes to that section. Finally, you can request to be emailed whenever there is a change to a section, choose the notification link from the More... link in that section to sign up for this option." I find twiki far better than this forum; Karl [This message has been edited by KX (edited 28 October 2003).] IP: Logged |
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Bill Meadows Member |
posted 29 October 2003 23:51
quote: The key point is "see at a glance". The blue buttons and obvious date serve the Forum quite well. As I said originally, it is elegant compared to Tweaky. Sure, maybe you can do a lot more things with Tweaky, but do you *need* to? (Just because it *can* be done, doesn't mean it *should* be done.) The Forum did everything I needed. IP: Logged |
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KX Member |
posted 30 October 2003 01:33
The "What's new" section behaves exactly like this forum. I'm far from being a "web-pro" and I became familiar with tweaky in less than 15 minutes. I like this forum but I prefer the way [This message has been edited by KX (edited 30 October 2003).] IP: Logged |
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photonal Member |
posted 30 October 2003 04:24
quote: Exactly that - the current forum does what you currently need! Kyma.5 also probably did what you needed too (maybe even Kyma 4) but what about the things you didn't or don't know yet that you need - like the expressions library in Kyma.X for instance! I think the Kyma.5 forum has been great but doesn't really allow for serious Kyma collaboration to take place or mini-kyma commmunities to exist or even to grow and expand like Kyma is doing. I think we'd be limiting our Kyma experience if we stick with the Kyma.5 forum. Best regards, Andrew IP: Logged |
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dgkiers Member |
posted 30 October 2003 06:51
Is anybody receiving e-mail notification on tweaky changes yet. I registered but no mails yet... IP: Logged |
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taylor12k Member |
posted 30 October 2003 07:22
i was "afraid" of the tweaky at first, too. but after quickly reading how to post, in about 10 minutes i was comfortable with it, and have contributed to the tweaky on a few occasions. i do find the clean, even layout of this forum easier on the eyes, and more easy to quickly scan what is new.. but the tweaky is provides something deeper and allows for more interaction. perhaps if the layout of the tweaky were streamlined (smaller fonts, better aligned text and tables) people would find it easier to browse. also, i think i suggested this earlier, but i would love to see a live chat area on the tweaky. this may not be possible withing SSC's server/service provider. but how cool would it be to be able to have live chats with other kyma users for instant answers ... or, we can all just exchange AIM accounts and iChat each other.
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KX Member |
posted 30 October 2003 08:13
"perhaps if the layout of the tweaky were streamlined (smaller fonts, better aligned text and tables) people would find it easier to browse." At 1024 X 768 resolution on a 21" monitor, IP: Logged |
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phillipm Member |
posted 30 October 2003 14:30
I can certainly see the potential of "tweaky" and understand the drawbacks of this forum... but I find "tweaky" totally disorienting. At least from the standpoint of participating (viewing things is generally OK). But even after managing to post a new topic once (somehow!), I've never been able to do it again. After 1/2 hour of trying last time, I just gave up. I wonder if it's just another sign getting too old to keep up the leading (bleeding) edge. :-( IP: Logged |
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Frank Kruse Member |
posted 30 October 2003 17:04
I second that! frank. IP: Logged |
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KX Member |
posted 30 October 2003 22:31
Funny thing! I would swap my skills with yours; To me, Kyma is a beast to master compared to Twiki!!! IP: Logged |
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Bill Meadows Member |
posted 30 October 2003 23:04
Seems we're beating a dead horse - this is the only thread here for several days. The Forum *is* dead! Long live tweeeky. IP: Logged |
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bfelton Member |
posted 31 October 2003 04:51
Truly regrettable. I find Tweaky completely without merit. The shift to tweaky will certainly mark an all but total elimination of my participation in the Kyma community. The forum certainly had its flaws, but I see more flaws in twiki and no corresponding benefits. sadly, IP: Logged |
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CreepJoint Member |
posted 31 October 2003 06:05
I find Tweaky hard to navigate too, dont know where to find anything. I just check the whats new page. I havent dared post anything yet, looks too daunting ! IP: Logged |
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bfelton Member |
posted 31 October 2003 15:37
That's part of the problem -- checking "what's new" really only seems to give a "last updated on" indicator. Which means we have to read each entry, determine if the date is newer than the last date we checked, and either remember or hope that nothing new has changed if we check more than twice a day. The efficiency of finding and acquiring information, data, or anything else, is pretty crippled compared to the forum. Doesn't help that its butt-ugly, either. Bill IP: Logged |
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Bill Meadows Member |
posted 01 November 2003 10:45
I regret this loss, also. I agree that tweeeky is very inefficient compared to this Forum. I am trying to follow what is happening there, but as far as a "community of users" goes, it sucks. Pretty much spells the end of participation for me, too. IP: Logged |
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rafe Member |
posted 17 December 2003 01:59
I found twiki a bit nebulous. I went briefly searching for info and didn't find what I was looking for and decided I would likely be more successfull searching the forum. I was registered as a guest and I was uncertain whether that affected my ability to navigate the material or whether what I was looking for wasn't posted. I like the idea of being able to have a better organized database of postings and user queries . Would it be possible to have links between the two websites that would allow common information to be accessed through both? This way the info that is currently on the forum could be indexed under the twiki subjects and vice versa. Personnally, I would prefer one location where I can access all of the kyma support, whether that is formal or informal searches and correspondence, links to what other users are doing, or co operative efforts that are open for ideas. I agree with the member who suggested the idea of a chat room. I think live interactive discussions among members could be an excellent resource. bom rafe IP: Logged |
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torvald Member |
posted 23 December 2003 01:18
You know, I don't have ANY fans here at SSC (and after this post....)??, but I must chime in here and admit that twiki sucks about as much as the 1980's robot it is named after does. Don't even start with tthat TWIKI is what you make it crap... For me, the GUI is EVERYTHING! IF the GUI sucks, then you will be LESS incilned to use it. Just an observation from the FAR left! IP: Logged |
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taylor12k Member |
posted 23 December 2003 15:27
for me it's a mixed bag... in the twiki, i like the discussions that are attached to the sound uploads. i think that's pretty handy, and easy to browse. and in general, browsing the twiki isn't too bad.. what i definitely DON'T like about the twiki, is posting.. the fact that you have to learn how to code your post... almost html style.. is really frustrating. i post every now and then, just not-often enough to forget how to do it each time.. so having to learn how to code and post a message each time is very counter productive... whereas, in this forum, you simply click a button, type your text into this field i'm typing in now, and hit SUBMIT. easy. it was my suggestion, i believe, for the chat room.. and i still think that would be really cool. i also think SSC should go for an either/or on the forum vs. twiki. carla made some good arguments to have both around, but there is simply not enough participation to either to warrent having to look in 2 places for info. which brings up yet another personal complaint... i really wish there WAS more interaction on these boards.. Kyma is so myseteriously powerful to me that i need all the help i can get from veteran users.. i wish there were constant flows of user submitted Sounds and tips...
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nkf Member |
posted 26 December 2003 20:24
I just registered at the TWiki and had a quick look at it. If this is the way future communication between users is handled I'm disconnecting completely from this kind of support. Why not next making Latin mandatory for communication between Kyma users? Is Kyma more and more targeted to people with a lot of time at hand or pure academical persons? The Kyma Forum has a simple GUI that doesn't take much time to navigate, I can stop by and participate without big efforts - good. But this TWiki thing is completly counterintuitive and I have probably forget the stuff the next time I log in. For me there are much more important things to do than learning such a Twiki thingy and I admit I'm still a beginner when it comes to Kyma itself. My hope is that I still could contact Carla if questions/problems arise and not everything is dissolved into something like Twiki. Imagine somebody from the media or music industry ask me something about Kyma and how it is supported and I direct him/her to the Twiki thing. Guess what ... Kyma is out of consideration instantly. Nirto Karsten Fischer IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 26 December 2003 22:37
Free Kyma support via the Forum, email, and telephone is still (and will continue to be) available to all registered Kyma owners. tweaky is an *additional* resource that is available to you to use or not to use at your own discretion. Feel free to use whichever mode of support that best answers your questions and enables you to concentrate on sound and music. IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 26 December 2003 22:37
Tips: Locating and downloading Sounds from the "Share" section of the tweaky is easier than doing the same in the Forum. (Uploading requires some additional steps, but the same people who were uploading Sounds to this Forum are the ones who have been uploading Sounds to the tweaky without problem). The "Know" knowledge base in the tweaky allows us to answer recurring questions *once* instead of several times a week. The time we save will be devoted towards developing new tools and features for you in Kyma! (BTW, you do not have to edit the tweaky in order to benefit from it. For nearly all Kyma users, the tweaky is intended as a database of searchable information and answers to questions on Kyma and sound. Advanced users are invited to participate more extensively, but most people will never need to learn to edit pages in the tweaky). IP: Logged |
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nkf Member |
posted 27 December 2003 08:11
quote: Thank you for the answer - it's a relief to know ... Nirto Karsten Fischer IP: Logged |
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