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JackRosete
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posted 18 January 2006 14:15         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dunno if anyone with some time on their hands could help me out!?

I need to synthesise the (imaginary) sound of butterflies for an upcoming project. I'll need to model three types of sound:

1- Close up flapping (flutter, flutter)...
2- Hundreds of butterflies flapping through the air (flutter, flutter * a few hundred)...
3- Millions of butterflies in a forest (flutter, flutter at a distance)...

This is for a film project so the sounds will eventually be paired with visuals. I would like to build something in Kyma that I could perform live, with a keyboard/mouse/Wacom tablet/controller, whilst watching the visuals.

Any help or ideas would be most welcome!

Thanks in advance,

Jack

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robertjarvis
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posted 19 January 2006 05:04         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting.... Butterfly wings flap about four times a second and so we're talking infra-sound here! But, for a quick experiment I listened to the sound of me flapping my hand (palm face down) up and down at approximately that speed beside my ear, and thought that probably a recording of this would be a good first step, and then filtering to shape the sound into what might best partner the image, and then adding various kyma tweaks (eg granulation, cross synthesis, reverbs) to colour the sound further to suggest emotion. Would be interested to hear your results....good luck!

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KX
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posted 19 January 2006 06:23         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1st I would sample a dry beach towel "fold-back whip sound.
(sorry, my english is that bad!!)
i'd sample a few single hit.
working with sample cloud is a good way to achieve hords simulation.
i found that more paralleled simple sample cloud give more realistic
f/x. by using many cloud module you can process samples in a flexible macroscopic way so you can simulate distance for a separate group of flies rather than process a single big group.

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JackRosete
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posted 20 January 2006 11:33         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the suggestions!

Jack

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Sylvain KEPLER
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posted 06 February 2006 16:00         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
in any case it would help, I had recorded a year ago a butterfly (wings beats)that came in the room here seat my instruments. I had also modeled this recording by using the neuron synth...the model is available in my website ...it sounds a lot like gentle fast claps...

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KX
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posted 06 February 2006 23:37         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish I could mic a bug! How did you get it?

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robertjarvis
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posted 07 February 2006 03:11         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A few years years back I did a piece for insect recordings, Kyma Processing and human musicians (http://www.symbolicsound.com/eighth-news.html). For this I had to devise all sorts of ways of recording insects; and then keeping them was another matter entirely. (In the end they ate each other. How 'Rock'n'Roll' is that?) One of my 'techniques' involved putting a bit of jam on a microphone and then just recording what ever decided to land and partake. I know somewhere I have a great recording of a fly cleaning its wings!

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Sylvain KEPLER
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posted 07 February 2006 04:44         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"How did you get it? "
Resp: It had actually came in my apartment during the winter last year and came to the room where seat my instruments (among which kyma) which is probably the hottest space. This was a common gender of butterfly. So I just took my Dat and recorded it beating its wings. It liked the flowershaped orange sticks of some of my instruments and maybe thought they were flowers... .let me know if you would like a sample of it.

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JackRosete
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posted 07 February 2006 10:17         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert/Sylvain, I would love to hear some samples of those butterfly/insect recordings, if you would be willing to share them!

Thanks...

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Sylvain KEPLER
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posted 07 February 2006 10:57         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How (Ur email) could I contact you so I could forward you some sample from it ?

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JackRosete
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posted 07 February 2006 16:24         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My email is jackmorganrosete@mac.com

Thanks!

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KX
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posted 07 February 2006 18:15         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My email: karlmousseau at yahoo.ca
interested in flies and bugs (specialy a fly cleaning its wing!)
thanks!
Karl

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rafe
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posted 07 February 2006 22:55         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KX:
I wish I could mic a bug! How did you get it?

an open mic beside a plate of honey/ sugar and moisture - if your in a warm climate its only a matter of time - if your really busy - don't clean up your lunch or leave it near an open window with a mic there and go back to work - check in a hour or so ... voila! mostly you will get flies, if you want bees put a mic with a good wind sock in the garden bed near newly opening flowers... a little obvious but it works

as a alternative if you leave an outdoor light on at night you will get loads of flying insects ... mostly mothes which will be a lot closer to butterfly sounds [This message has been edited by rafe (edited 07 February 2006).]

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KX
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posted 08 February 2006 01:27         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Warm climate... well, even if planet earth is heating (specially here in Canada) I can't find any willing flies in february!
My concern was more about wind noise etc... also, I would not spread jam on a 800$ mic...

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rafe
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posted 08 February 2006 23:44         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KX:
Warm climate... well, even if planet earth is heating (specially here in Canada) I can't find any willing flies in february!
My concern was more about wind noise etc... also, I would not spread jam on a 800$ mic...

dude move out west ... no snow or frost until your over 2000 feet.
As far a the jam i never tried that - i used honey and you make sure the honey is spread evenly accross the diaphram (you can dip them if you need to), then place the windsock overtop, it is a really good design because the insects can smell the food but they never get any so they keep searching and hanging around ... it gives you loads of material. Use a stereo pair it really helps with localization/isolation of individual bugs because often there will be many insects attracted to the sweetness. the honey also helps minimalize the wind noise.

as far as clean up just rinse the capsule under warm soapy water and make sure the phantom is on ( it helps speed up the drying process). my 4011's are so durable they handled it remarkably and the rep said he would warranty them if there was any problem. ju8st don't mention that you had the phantom on during clean up... they may not warranty it in that case.

hope that helps!
cheers

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franz
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posted 09 February 2006 03:23         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi! I would be interested in the samples!
f_danko@yahoo.de

Thank you!

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