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droolmaster0
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posted 25 May 2013 21:27         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm puzzled by this, and I"m not sure how to troubleshoot it.

This does not happen at all if I am using Kyma solely to process external sounds, as I have been doing mostly of late.

But when I generate sounds from Kyma, it is rather dramatic.

I am getting a rather horrible constant clicking, which (curiously) is not recorded if I record the audio. I know this because if I play the audio file through my main audio interface outside of kyma, the clicking has not been recorded. However (which seems to follow) if I play the audio file from within kyma, the clicking is there, but apparently because it is being generated anew....

I'm hoping that someone might shed some light on this, and how I might correct it.

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SSC
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posted 29 May 2013 17:02         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it possible that you are running out of real time with your internally generated sounds? (You can check this by watching the top center area of the DSP Status window to see if a red message "OUT OF REALTIME" appears.)

Alternatively, it could be caused by a bad or missing clock for the interface. Do you have Internal selected as the clock source for your audio interface in Kyma's DSP Status window?

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droolmaster0
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posted 29 May 2013 17:26         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's happened with very simple sounds, so I'm pretty sure that it's not because I'm running out of processing power.

I'm not at home now, but I'll check the sync source later.

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droolmaster0
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posted 30 May 2013 14:09         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmmm - the sync is set to internal.

I will have to monitor this further. It does not always happen - I had 2 timeline tracks using the samplecloud sound, with lots of modulation, running without incident last night.

I'm not sure - will have to test further - but this MIGHT only be happening when I have the soundplane OSC connected. I turned this on, and I got the clicking, then turned it off and rebooted kyma, and it went away. But further experimentation is needed.

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Denis Goekdag
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posted 03 June 2013 03:23         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On My Traveler Mk3, I had crackles when running through its internal "monitor mixer", which is by default on outputs 1&2. Other outputs where fine.

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droolmaster0
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posted 06 June 2013 12:20         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well, I do generally use outputs 1&2....but the problem is just very sporadic. I can't find what triggers it, or at least I haven't yet.

I do plan on updating the interface in the next few months, so I suppose that I can live with it until then.

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Douglas Kraul
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posted 07 June 2013 05:02         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by droolmaster0:
well, I do generally use outputs 1&2....but the problem is just very sporadic. I can't find what triggers it, or at least I haven't yet.

I do plan on updating the interface in the next few months, so I suppose that I can live with it until then.


What FireWire devices do you have connected?

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droolmaster0
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posted 07 June 2013 09:11         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
pacarana + 828 on main mac firewire bus, and then a metric halo 2882 on another one (firewire card).

(the problem occurred again last night. This time there were no 'internal' sounds - the sounds were all coming from outside with a little processing on one track. Rebooting everything fixed it. Previously it hadn't been so easy)

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GregoryCichoracki
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posted 07 June 2013 09:18         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had something similiar, it turns out another app (Ableton ) changed my clockrate and Kyma was at a different rate (44K and 48K). Once I goiot all of them the same the clicks disappeared.

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droolmaster0
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posted 07 June 2013 09:21         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure what would be happening to cause that though? I don't have the 828 drivers installed on the mac - only on the pacarana, so how would the sample rate on the kyma be changing? Then I have an analog connection from the 828 to the metric halo interface, so there is no communication of sample rates there...maybe I don't understand...

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GregoryCichoracki
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posted 07 June 2013 10:56         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
w/o the 828 drivers it cannot happen, I thgought maybe they were installed.....

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Douglas Kraul
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posted 07 June 2013 15:49         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by droolmaster0:
pacarana + 828 on main mac firewire bus, and then a metric halo 2882 on another one (firewire card).

(the problem occurred again last night. This time there were no 'internal' sounds - the sounds were all coming from outside with a little processing on one track. Rebooting everything fixed it. Previously it hadn't been so easy)


What sample rate do you run the MOTU at? Also how many I/Os are enable?

You mention that you split your soundcards between two different Firewire controllers so what follows is probably not the cause of the problem but worth mentioning, especially if you are running the Paca(rana) and MOTU at 96 kHz.

FireWire bandwidth gets used up pretty easily with a "large I/O count" soundcard on the same Firewire controller. This can be especially problematic with multiple soundcard on the same bus (which is why this is probably not your problem).

Plus if even one of the audio streams has to run at FW400 speed it forces all of the audio traffic to happen at FW400 speed. This can even impede the FW800 traffic between the computer and Paca(rana). So heavy streaming from Kyma to the Paca(ana), like when processing samples or playing disk-based samples, plus all the audio I/O, can end up saturating a FW bus if the audio sample rate is 96 kHZ. One thing to keep in mind is that even idle soundcard channels consume FW bandwidth. If a channel is unused use the soundcard's control panel to disable the unneeded channels.

[This message has been edited by Douglas Kraul (edited 07 June 2013).]

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SSC
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posted 07 June 2013 20:03         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A few other things you could try:

* make sure you are using a power adapter rather than bus power on the 828

* perform a Factory Reset using the 828's front panel Setup button

* try a slightly different I/O Delay (either the next smaller or next larger value) under the lower left drop down menu (Configure) in the DSP Status window in Kyma

It would probably be best to try one of these at a time so that we could pin down the source of the problem.

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droolmaster0
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posted 07 June 2013 20:08         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. Since sometimes it can go a few days without a recurrence, I might actually have a new interface in my grubby little hands....

But I will start trying these one by one

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