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Hamilton
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posted 14 May 2002 01:04         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello: I've been trying to use the new Kyma ASIO driver in Motu's Digital Performer to play audio through the Capybara, but DP doesn't recognize it. Can anyone give me step by step instruction as to how to achieve this? Thanks all.

Hamilton

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babakool
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posted 14 May 2002 14:53         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I assume you've put the driver in the ASIO folder in the DP main folder. Then after launching Kyma and DP you select Basics menu/Configure Audio System/Configure Hardware Driver and the Kyma driver *should* be in the drop down menu of the dialog box. If it's not or it won't allow you to select it or you get some error message then SSC will have to help if they can. If it's there then select it and select whatever settings options there are and click OK. I don't use the Kyma driver but use DP. From SSC's original post:
"The ASIO driver should be placed in the same folder with your other ASIO drivers, and you should select this driver in the setup of your application (for example, using System Setup in Cubase).
In Kyma, there is a new ExternalInput object that represents audio from an external source -- in this case, audio from the ASIO driver. The ExternalInput can be used just like any other Sound in Kyma -- you can process or mangle it, or you can just send it to the Capybara outputs (as the example timeline does)." It's still a beta so good luck!

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Bill Meadows
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posted 14 May 2002 17:27         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I recall something about it only working in 24-bit...

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Frank Kruse
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posted 16 May 2002 04:26         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
where can i download the ASIO driver for mac?

frank.

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SSC
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posted 16 May 2002 09:26         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check in Kyma Support.

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Frank Kruse
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posted 16 May 2002 10:00         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hm. i couldn´t find it anywhere on the support site. nither in the kyma 5 updates section nor on any other page...

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Frank Kruse
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posted 16 May 2002 12:37         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oops. i thought you ment the support web-site not the forum. found it :-)

frank.

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e-smiley
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posted 19 May 2002 05:19         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are the ASIO drivers for PCs out yet (win 95 / 98 / XP)

ISTR there being experimental support for it on the Mac.

My PC is getting lonely! :^)

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SSC
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posted 19 May 2002 10:54         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Requires the completion of Project X first (so that you can use it under Windows XP)... (until then, it's up to you to keep your lonely pc warm at night)

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nkf
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posted 20 May 2002 22:13         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SSC wrote:
>>>Requires the completion of Project X first (so that you can use it under Windows XP).<<<
Can you please be a bit more specific? When can we expect drivers for Win2000/XP. I would like to get rid of the last Win98 installation which I only have for running Kyma. Or does the FireWire interface work under Win2000/XP already?

Nirto Karsten Fischer

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SSC
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posted 21 May 2002 09:16         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"When can we expect drivers for Win2000/XP."

Our plan is to have these available by the end of 2002. (Note that I used the word "plan" and some people say that when mortals speak this word, the gods laugh. But, barring any overly mirthful immortal-types, that is when you can expect them)

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photonal
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posted 21 May 2002 13:01         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does that also apply to the OSX drivers? That seems to imply that there will not be any Mac OS 9.2.2 drivers - am I wrong? A full I/O ASIO driver for OS 9.2.2 would be really appreciated.

Andrew

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Frank Kruse
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posted 21 May 2002 13:52         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
true. since there is hardly any audio software that will run under OSX to make use of the ASIO drivers...

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SSC
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posted 21 May 2002 14:02         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes,full ASIO is planned for 9.x and WinME as well, but not until the end of this year (2002 for those who may not be keeping track of such details)

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photonal
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posted 21 May 2002 14:21         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
....and if you ever need a beta tester... )

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nkf
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posted 21 May 2002 20:04         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SSC wrote:
>>>Our plan is to have these available by the end of 2002<<<

I think that takes too long. Win 98/ME is subtituted by Win XP.
To put a lot of efforts into this OS by programming ASIO drivers is absurd. Instead of this I think it makes more sense to concentrate on Win2000/XP. It's not (only) because I have a preference for this OS (as a longtime NT user), it's mostly because of the dead end situation with 98/ME. Most audio software companies with Win software are now concentrating on Win XP, some exclusively (Cubase SX). Kyma users should be able (and even forced) to upgrade to a OS that is more congenial to Kyma itself.
Win 98/ME is dead, MAC OS 9 is dead, and personally for me MACs are obsolete (even if still in service). Please concentrate on todays needs. XP (all NT derivates) are very stable and having myself applications like GigaStudio running under Win2000 extremly fast and reliable shows that it can be done much better than in Win98/ME.
I would hate just to stick with Win98 computers only to run things like Kyma or Korg Oasys ... hey that's an idea ... I put the Kyma card in the old Win98 machine with the Oasys card ... hmm ... not very appealing ... ;-)

Nirto Karsten Fischer

[This message has been edited by nkf (edited 21 May 2002).]

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pete
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posted 22 May 2002 05:50         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Nirto
You are a brave man.

I have a suggesting.
SSC could fall in line with other companies.
To make life easier for themselves they could stick to a rule that every time they bring out a new kyma release we have to throw away our current capybara and buy a new one to run it.

This is one of the many things that make SSC such a great company. I’m all for moving to the latest stuff but only if the benefits out weigh the disadvantages , which in a lot of cases they don’t. Incompatibility is probably one if the biggest problems us computer users have to deal with and if SSC is going to make a system that simply works regardless of what platform or revision used, then the get my vote.

Traditionally musicians have been Mac user .How would you feel if SSC chose to write all new software to run on Mac OSX only, as it seems that being Unix based, many programmers are starting to favour it.

SSC your doing everything just right please don’t change your ways.

Pete.

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nkf
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posted 22 May 2002 08:39         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pete wrote:
>>>we have to throw away our current capybara and buy a new one to run it<<<
I cannot understand you came to this (sarcastic)conclusion. What have OS discussions to do with (non-) obsolete hardware? It's not about the latest and newest. I'm talking about at least two years old updates for something that exists since the beginning 90ies (Windows NT).

>>>Incompatibility is probably one if the biggest problems us computer users have to deal with and if SSC is going to make a system that simply works regardless of what platform or revision used, then the get my vote.<<<
Yes, exactly what I think, but not for obsolete operating systems. I didn't mention anything the choice between MC and PC shouldn't there anymore. The end of MAC OS 9 and Win 98/ME was announced by the companies that made it - that's not my exaggeration.

>>>Traditionally musicians have been Mac user .How would you feel if SSC chose to write all new software to run on Mac OSX only, as it seems that being Unix based, many programmers are starting to favour it.<<<
This is exaclty the thinking that misleads a lot of people nowadays. Beside what 'musicians' could mean (I don't play violin or piano), to think just because in the 90ies most valuable music programs existed for the MAC, and therefore it is a kind of 'natural' to think MAC, neglets changes in the industry and makes this well known fact from the past working like a dogma. At least for me the choice of computer platforms was following the choice for an application - if SSC decided to make it OS-X only I had to swallow this and use OS-X exclusively for Kyma, one computer more for work. Fortunately Symbolic Sound gives us a choice and I just mentioned some thoughts to make the best out of it and to concentrate on the most current OS of the platforms.
I have been working with computer systems in music since around 20 years and use MACs in my studio since 12 years (later including ProTools TDM). NT based systems came later (around 1995) and I had to be completely ignorant if I had not realized the stability and efficiency of music/audio apps running under Win 2000/XP.
Even if there is/was a 'tradition' ... who cares as long as there is a path to use the old work? I had Kyma first on a MAC and changed it to a PC and could use my old sound files with no problems. It surprisies me very often how conservative people are who live in a (technical) world of ongoing development of possiblities. SSC is a great company with a great product and surely can take some clear words. At least taking my time and writing here about these issues can be seen as an interest in seeing Kyma growing on solid ground.

Nirto Karsten Fischer

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babakool
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posted 22 May 2002 23:27         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pete wrote:
>>>we have to throw away our current capybara and buy a new one to run it<<<
I cannot understand you came to this (sarcastic)conclusion.

>>Perhaps because of the perceived arrogance in your post which I would echo. When someone states opinions like, "I think that takes too long.-To put a lot of efforts into this OS by programming ASIO drivers is absurd.- Kyma users should be able (and even forced) to upgrade to a OS", I don't care how many years or what or who you worked with but it sounds like you know what's best for for me and everyone else including SSC. People like this, in my life, are with all due respect, told to
take a hike. Well intentioned dictators are still odious IMO.
My personal preference would be to have an ADAT i/o option for Kyma and I would happily continue using OASYS/Synthkit and Kyma on my "dead" OS 9.x for many years to come, as it's stable and useful with the tools that I have. Even if Carla and Kurt's plate are too full or it makes no economic sense to allow that possibility, I'll probably continue with SP/DIF i/o until there is some compelling reason (besides your mandate) to upgrade to to OS X. As to what's "best" for SSC, well... it's really not MY business is it? I, of course, wish it well and apologize to the forum if I have been out of line.<<


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nkf
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posted 23 May 2002 09:45         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
babakool had some ideas about dictatorship:
>>>Well intentioned dictators are still odious IMO.<<<
I know we're living in a world were personal opinions shouldn't be too strong so that everybody can feel good in his comfy chair. As a 'Spiritual Health Advisor' you seem to need some venting ... that's ok!
That OS 9 is dead is not my idea - it was clearly expressed by Steve Jobs himself showing a coffin with OS9. Of course everybody is free to use what she/he wants but when it comes to ASIO the world looks different than with proprietary drivers. ASIO is a kind of 'industry standard' nowadays and the ASIO hosts are going to OS X and Win2000/XP no matter if you and I like it. Of course you can deny this fact. My goal was to provoce a discussion about the sense having the valuable resources of SSC 'wasted' for dead end roads. I thought this discussion might be helpful. As somebody actually supporting SSC and Kyma I wouldn't discuss this in public but in a closed user forum like this. If some users seem to have a kind of religious feeling for Kyma or an OS, which shouldn't be critizised, that's not my fault. At least I see it all as tools.

Nirto Karsten Fischer

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SSC
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posted 23 May 2002 10:13         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Once the drivers are done for OS X and WinXP/2k, they will also work for OS9 and ME without any extra effort on our part. But we only want to rewrite them once--that's why we are waiting until we finish the "X-port" first before returning attention to ASIO drivers.

In other words, the backwards compatibility won't require *extra* effort.

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nkf
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posted 23 May 2002 17:25         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SSC wrote:
>>>In other words, the backwards compatibility won't require *extra* effort.<<<
That's good to know but for me it's taking a bit long until this is finished. I would like to use the FireWire interface and use my Kyma from two different workplaces I have in my studio - not at the same time but for different approaches when I work. Will this be possible then to connect more than one XP computer via a Firewire hub and control Kyma from different machines (only one at a time)?

Nirto Karsten Fischer

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SSC
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posted 23 May 2002 18:24         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
<<Will this be possible then to connect more than one XP computer via a Firewire hub and control Kyma from different machines (only one at a time)?>>

Actually this is already possible under Windows ME and OS 9. You can connect both of your computers (actually up to 4 of them) to the Flame FireWire box (or via hubs). The only restriction is that you can run Kyma on only one machine at a time.

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