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sm
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posted 10 June 2002 04:43         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi!
if i trigger kyma with logic audio as a sequencer it happens quite often that kyma doesn´t receive a note-off when i stop the sequencer.
in such a case also "midi notes off" doesn´t help.
i have to load another sound and reload the sound i wanted then again, which in the case of using big timeline is timeconsuming.
is there a way to get rid of this behavior?

thx
michael

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posted 10 June 2002 07:01         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Michael
I think you’ve just hit the tip of a great big ice burg. The Kyma timeline may look like many other timelines but that’s where the similarity ends.

If you have a sequencer and synth or sampler attached, Or the timeline of a harddisc recorder ,when you hit stop you would expect the output to become totally muted.

If however you had the timeline of the graphical representation of an automated mixing desk (which included FX units), then when you hit stop you would expect the channels to remain open as you would any FX units included. Also if any FX units had LFOs in them, you would expect the LFOs to continue to oscillate.

The Kyma timeline deals with both of the above types at the same time which I believe makes it unique, and as such there is not yet a standardised set of rules for how it should work. One of my suggestions was that pause and stop had two different types of operation where pause would freeze the timeline and stop would mute it. This would mean that you couldn’t use the space bar to toggle between play and (PauseStop). In Pro tools and cubase etc , there is no real difference between Pause and Stop. Another way would be that the user marks each time bar as an "Act Like Midi Sequ" or "Act Like Auto Mixer". But there are plenty of reasons why this would be not so desirable aswell.

I could go on for pages and pages of how one little change has so many other implications and us users would have to learn them all aswell.

So what I’m asking is do you think that the timeline should mute when you stop/pause or do you have another idea ?

Would Apple"K" or the PC equivalent do as good a job?

Do other users think otherwise ?

I apologise in advance if I’ve spoken out of turn or trodden on any toes but I would be interested what others on the forum think about this vast subject.

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posted 10 June 2002 10:30         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"if i trigger kyma with logic audio as a sequencer it happens quite often that kyma doesn´t receive a note-off when i stop the sequencer."
Does your sequencer *send* a MIDI notes off whenever you stop it? Or does it send a different message (like a omni mode change??) to do the notes-off. (Kyma pays attention to Note-offs but not to mode changes)

"in such a case also "midi notes off" doesn´t help."
The ctrl-M for MIDI notes off in Kyma *sends* an all-notes-off to the MIDI *out* of the Capybara. It doesn't affect the MIDI coming *in* to the Capybara.

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sm
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posted 10 June 2002 13:12         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have not yet looked at what the sequencer sends when i stop it.
i just see that my other synths stop but kyma doesn´t.

to answer pete: i haven´t yet slaved kyma timeline to my sequencer. i use program changes to jump around in the timeline.
this brings another question:
i noticed that if i jump from one synth sound to another it happens that the program change triggers a note, which is quite undesireable.
is it possible that this occurs because the midi note was not shut off when the prg.chng is sended?
any ideas to avoid this?

thanks
michael


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posted 12 June 2002 10:28         Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you know if the sequencer assumes that MIDI program changes cause all notes off on attached synthesizers? Does Kyma start any notes up when you click in the time ruler to change the time index?

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