posted 26 November 2010 20:11            

There are some vocoder sounds which do very similar things.

I am gonna have a rummage.

posted 27 November 2010 16:23            

I need to get back to patching in Kyma.

Oh yeah, that module. It costs $4600..more than a Pacarana

posted 27 November 2010 17:01            

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Originally posted by bar|none:

Oh yeah, that module. It costs $4600..more than a Pacarana
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posted 28 November 2010 20:49            

296paca.kym

I see a few main components:
1. Vocoding. This is well covered in Kyma so let's set that aside.
2. A fixed filter bank where you can morph between 2 sets of values. To me, this is the crux of the demo shown and what the attached example does. It actually reminds me a bit of the Moog 907a fixed filter bank and shares many of the same frequencies, though this has 16 rather than 8. The 907a was initially created to help achieve 'natural' sounds. It is more or less a ModalFilter without the feedback network.
3. Modulating and freezing the band level via analyzing each bands amp envelope. This isn't all that hard to add. The feature was there for the vocoder elements and I guess it is handy in creating quick curves. You could capture the curve on one sound and then run another sound through it.

One thing that is missing from this example is to the ability to set the bandwidth of each sound individually. We don't have that feature in the FilterBank sound. You could add this via brute force (multiple instances of the FilterBank) or use the ModalFilter.

posted 01 December 2010 21:04            

296paca.kym

Bonus additional with the ModalFilter is the feedback network.

Warnings about levels and the rawness of the parameters still apply.

posted 02 December 2010 14:07            

Really. Wow. It even has the animated faders.

The first one had me tweaking and experimenting for ages. Then I remembered the feedback edition. Whoah, that gets fruity.

One for the prototypes?

Great work sire.

posted 03 December 2010 09:28            

or 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 ...

Quick ways of setting the values : On this particular sound, Tab (next value) and Shift + Tab (previous value) and 1 & 0. Great way of setting up the bands!

Having much fun.

posted 03 December 2010 10:07            

When I get a version that I more fully dialed in and has some of the additional features I want (namely a better LFO section), I'll post up a version to the Tweaky. If you have any suggestions or requests let me know.

posted 04 December 2010 16:05            

Buchla_296paca_stereo.kym

Here's an updated patch with the amplitude ranges reversed on L/R channels.

I'm totally a beginner still so this probably not the best way of doing this.

[This message has been edited by bar|none (edited 04 December 2010).]

posted 04 December 2010 17:40            

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Originally posted by keph:
...When I get a version that I more fully dialed in and has some of the additional features I want (namely a better LFO section), I'll post up a version to the Tweaky. If you have any suggestions or requests let me know.

Ben.[/B]

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Looks like on the Buchla, the LFO modulator also works like a wave over time, so it animates the LFO wave across the bands by sampling the modulator for each band, maybe by dividing the wavelength of the LFO by the # of bands and sampling at each division of time?

Pretty cool, thx for putting this together.

Hey Ben,

mind if I post a demo video of this? Wanted to show some of the modular folk what Kyma can do. If I did, I would like to credit you with the patch, if you were ok with that.

Cheers,
Chris

posted 04 December 2010 20:43            

I changed this and it sounds a lot more like the video which seems to give a wider stereo impression as well.

posted 04 December 2010 22:06            

Buchla_296paca_AB_out.kym

Try the A/B preset on first one or default_example on second. If you invert the ranges every other band then you get the greatest stereo effect. Now it really sounds like the buchla vid.

I could see some mods to make it easier to control kind of using the same concepts as the 296e.

@keph thx for this patch, I'm learned a lot from playing with it already.

posted 05 December 2010 09:57            

I'll also add do a second example with envelope modulation. It won't be exactly the same as the 296e but a twist on it that may or may not be useful.

But first I must take the dogs running at the park since they seem to be objecting to the ringing filters and feedback.

Anything else?

posted 05 December 2010 10:46            

Cut_Buchla_296paca_AB_out.kym

OOps a mistake. need to replace the !Amp with zeros in the replicator.

posted 05 December 2010 11:21            

Awesome. I'm sure I'll learn even more from you next patch version.

Can you think of a way to set the band min/max ranges easier than editing the boxes above and below?

One thing that would be useful is a button on each band to invert the range. Much easier than switching the min/max values.

The second thing that might be easier is to set offset and range

instead of min/max. The edit fields for these stay the same regardless of whether the range is inverted or not. Easier to edit that way, more like the ease of setting the ranges on the buchla.

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And one more thing since you asked. A checkbox for each band on whether A/B. That way the default would alternate, but we could choose which bands went where.

chris

posted 05 December 2010 18:49            

All it needs now is a stereo width control.
;-p

posted 05 December 2010 19:18            

In pete's version he is replicating 34 times which is 17 x 2. So the first set of hot values look like so !F100 and the second set have R appended like !F100R. The 'R' values were used in the previous stereo patch but for the A/B bus arrangement we don't need them. He's using modulo operator to count from 0-16 twice.

There are only 16 bands so shouldn't the count be 16 (0-15)?

Here's a version that works in the simpler case with 16 bands. I'm only playing with this because I'm so psyched to actually have a clue about the smalltalk now. Yay!

Change the number in the "Replicator" to 16.

Value in "SoundToGlobalController" changes to

|AName BName Numm VN Vall|
VN:=?VoiceNumber-1.
Numm:= VN of: #({'100'}{'150'}{'250'}{'350'}{'500'}{'630'}{'800'}{'1000'}{'1300'}{'1600'}{'2000'}{'2600'}{'3500'}{'5k'}{'8k'}{'10k'}).
AName:= ('A',Numm) asHotValue.
BName:= ('B',Numm) asHotValue.
Vall:= (1- L*AName)+(( L)*BName).
Vall

The boxes above represent "Crossfade" input

Generated Event changes to

|Name Numm VN|
VN:=?VoiceNumber-1.
Numm:= VN of: #({'100'}{'150'}{'250'}{'350'}{'500'}{'630'}{'800'}{'1000'}{'1300'}{'1600'}{'2000'}{'2600'}{'3500'}{'5k'}{'8k'}{'10k'}).
Name:= ('F',Numm) asHotValue.
Name

posted 05 December 2010 19:34            

There are 2 ModalFilters: A & B

Input can be Stereo, A only, B only. If you send a mono signal it will go to both A&B. If you send stereo left will go to A, right to B.

Next you can assign bands to either A or B. In writing this out, I probably should do A, B, or both, so I'll look at adding that though the downside is that the UI will have to change from a simple toggle to a 3 position fader (left center right) or left-right mix. I prefer the simple toggle so we'll see how this works out.

By request, I changed the mix /max to something that may be easier to play with live but is less simple at a glance. First there is a toggle to set whether the initial state starts at 0 or 1 (zero by default). Then you sent the offset (0-1). This will add to the initial if the toggle is at zero or subtract if at one. Other way to think about it, is if the toggle is at zero, this sets the max level and the min level if the toggle is at one.

Then there is a range value which will add or subtract based on the initial toggle setting.

Bandwidth follows the same concept. On one hand, it certainly makes it easier to flip the settings with a quick press of a toggle but it requires you to understand how the offset / range adjusts based on the initial toggle value.

Chris (bar|none) does this sound like what you were looking for?

LFO section has been updated to have additional waveforms including random.

On the output, you can go from mono to variable stereo widths.

posted 05 December 2010 19:56            

Sounds amazing! Thanks so much for working on this.

Yes, you got my concept of the offsets. Should hopefully be easier to tweak and invert.

posted 06 December 2010 03:33            

I knew using a replicator would greatly simplify the structure but there is no way I would have conceived anything like what's going on in the sound to global controller. I'll be studying this at length tonight. Wow.

I love this thread

posted 08 December 2010 09:40            

I did update the LFO section to include:
3 waveforms: triangle, ramp, and gaussian curve
Random mix. Random is white noise sample and held at the same rate that the LFO is running at.

There are 4 versions: normal and fruity (to use Charlie's descriptor). Fruity adds a "pre-emphasis" control which inserts waveshapers into the mix. There are also Lin and Exp amp versions depending on your preference.

posted 08 December 2010 20:04            

Having surfed the waves of animation, explored the offsets, set some replaceable inputs, I have decided!: this is a very very cool sound.

296PacaModal v2 (and EXP) > asks for PosControlMix.aif, I don't think this is stock library, can you suggest a replacement? Perhaps this is a few waveforms as one file/. (LFO)

I have been replacing it with others as experiments but wonder if they are not working according to sirs design. (since so much effort has gone in...)

Many thanks for everyones contributions, a fascinating journey.

posted 09 December 2010 23:01            

Fantastic work. The different LFOs and especially the addition of random variation are exceptional.

posted 10 December 2010 03:19            

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Originally posted by CharlieNorton:
Fantastic Thread, Fantastic result!
Great work peeps
:-)
Charlie

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Not if you're still a Capy user it isn't!!!

;-)

posted 10 December 2010 06:08            

I can get the mono one to play on my unexpanded Capy ;-p (296 Paca) (takes up two procs)

In-fact the modal one will play 'OORT'

Did sir actually try it, or was sir put off by the sound entitlement 'paca'?

MMmmmm the latter one assumes.

;-p

posted 10 December 2010 10:44            

I threw up a quick demo vid here.
http://www.vimeo.com/17666228

posted 11 December 2010 05:14            

296modal, seems to be only using four DSPs to the max. Perhaps there is a way to optimise these sounds so that the load is more evenly spread across the DSPs?