posted 13 January 2008 23:21            

I'm considering a possible workflow for sound effects or voice vocoding and thought I'd ask for feedback before spending a chunk of money. A fellow Kyma user has his Pro Tools LE rig (002R) set up with the Capy on an effects loop-- S/PDIF out and back in. I'm considering something similar in the interest of efficiency, mainly because I'm well versed in Pro Tools (7 years now) for all my chopping and layering. My file management would also be simplified with all the files in the Pro Tools folder.

I'm wondering if this would be practical (or all that useful): Out from a 002R using ADAT and converting to AES/EBU (using something like an Aphex 144). This would give me two digital stereo paths to the Capy and two as returns. I could vocode two mono or stereo Pro Tools tracks using the Capy and come back in stereo (or even quad). Some cool possibilities, me thinks. A cheaper option would be an MBox2 Pro, where one of my stereo paths would be analog.

Does anyone happen to know if I'll run into problems with clocking when changing digital formats? Would anyone care to share there signal flow/workflow?

posted 14 January 2008 04:16            

On my wish list, Capy with ADAT i/o onboard.

posted 14 January 2008 08:34            

I'm new to Kyma but it seems to lack a couple of things-- video support (to chop SFX to picture) and the ease of timeline editing (chopping, reversing, pitching, stretching, etc.). I could be wrong on these. I'd like to have the best of both worlds.

When you say "as long as you have a single clock" are you referring to an external clock source, a la Big Ben? Could a DAW and the Capy be clocked without it, through a digital format converter?

posted 14 January 2008 09:47            

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Originally posted by RadioFilter:

When you say "as long as you have a single clock" are you referring to an external clock source, a la Big Ben? Could a DAW and the Capy be clocked without it, through a digital format converter?

I appreciate your response.
Neal

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posted 14 January 2008 11:38            

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Originally posted by RadioFilter:

I'm new to Kyma but it seems to lack a couple of things-- video support (to chop SFX to picture) and the ease of timeline editing (chopping, reversing, pitching, stretching, etc.). I could be wrong on these. I'd like to have the best of both worlds.

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Kyma isn't an audio editor in the way ProTools, Soundtrack, Nuendo, or others are so you won't find that type of sample accurate waveform editing in the timeline. Given that there are many great tools for that already, I'd rather SSC focus on integration and extending the things that kyma does uniquely well over recreating basic audio editing. I fully understand that desire to have all-in-one solutions, however.

You can sync your video & timeline via timecode. If you have any questions, I am sure there many here can share different solutions and ideas.

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Originally posted by RadioFilter:

When you say "as long as you have a single clock" are you referring to an external clock source, a la Big Ben? Could a DAW and the Capy be clocked without it, through a digital format converter?

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Yes. Kyma allows to be external sync'ed via AES / Wordclock /House Sync or maintain its own clock. It can only send clock via AES however.

posted 14 January 2008 14:06            

I use nuendo with RME card (3*ADAT i/o)
ADAT 1 goes two and from a Yamaha 01V
ADAT 2 goes two and from an Alesis AI4 which gives me 8 channels of AESEBU I/O
ADAT 3 comes from an Alesis QSR 4 channels of Synth/Sample player.

Everything apart from live inputs is kept in the digital domain.

The AESEBU is for 4 channels of kyma I/O and a Dat recorder (not used so much now days).
I've also wired up two channels of analogue Kyma to the 01V so that I can down sample Kyma if I wish.

My master clock is the Alesis QSR which means I don't have to wire up word clock. It may not be perfect in frequency stability but as everything is in sync with it, it all becomes equally as imperfect and works together well. I haven't noticed any pitch drifting problems or audio jitter and definitely no clicks.

I've not yet found the need, but Kyma's LTC is wired to a MOTU micro express so that I can sync the time line to nuendo if I wish, but I can record midi control movements (using the 01V faders) in nuendo and use that to control parameters in kyma which seems to be more usefull.

It may not be the way I would do things if it were not my home bed room studio but it works for me.

Pete

posted 14 January 2008 17:57            

I use;
2 polysynths
2 drummachines
analog modular
and of course Kyma

I work mainly with 5.1 surround

posted 15 January 2008 04:34            

Instead of the Apogee Ensemble, I would definitively recommend the Metric Halo 2882. This is an excellent interface with a better quality than the Apogee.

Camille

posted 17 January 2008 06:34            

-Luddy

[This message has been edited by Luddy (edited 17 January 2008).]

posted 17 January 2008 17:34            

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Originally posted by tuscland:
I always favor analog sound from their outputs, because they some punch you kind of loose when you're using a digital only workflow. Another approach could be to use both for flexibility.

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I think the "punch" you're talking about comes from a steady clock
(in your case,Capy) that can reproduce transcient information very accuratly. As long as you have a good master clock, I don't think you will loose
that "punch" by going digital. Make sense?