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ChristianSchloesser Member |
posted 29 June 2012 21:33
 
maybe somebody could help me with this. I am not shure if it might by a conceptual problem or if i am on the right path to success. I created a simple version of the monophonic live sequencer i am currently working on to complete my liveset. But now i am stuck and maybe somebody hast the experience to help me a little bit.. I would like to shift Pitches and the Velocitys independently from each other to the << left or right >> with an extra button(MIDI Note). But maybe this is conceptually totally wrong... Now i want to manipulate this patterns to correct errors or to change them and store again. Every help or idea is appreciated! p.s.: i just came up with the idea of "double buffering" the current values...but i am not right shure if this would help and how to implement ... [This message has been edited by ChristianSchloesser (edited 29 June 2012).] IP: Logged | |
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pete Member |
posted 01 July 2012 11:27
Sorry I'm not answering your problem as I haven't yet downloaded the latest Kyma version but I did notice another point with your recordable sequencer. It's to do with human beings. When we play notes we try to play on the beat of what we hear. In reality we play either side of the beat. Your sequencer records on the beat or after so note played just before the beat are writing to the wrong sequencer slot. Try this test Change the sequencer to 8 note (end 7) and poly to 1. Play the sound and and put the swing to 0 and the BPM to 40 and press record. Now try to record the scale of C major. It doesn't work. The only way to do it is play it half a beat late then it plays back correctly. The record needs to be advanced by half a beat to work correctly. I thought of lots of ways of making the step one early and then delaying half a beat delay to the record triggers but then realized that all you need to do is delay the final sound by half a beat. It means that the beat indicator on the screen is early but it seems OK. Try the attached and I think you won't make so many mistakes when recording. Hope this makes sense Pete IP: Logged | |
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ChristianSchloesser Member |
posted 01 July 2012 13:17
Thank you for the tips Pete!
quote: I am aware of this problem, actually the aprox. 5 to 10 ms latency involved while triggering Kyma with a MIDI device over LAN from another Computer in my setup ... simply delays the notes to the right slots if i playing in the 100 to 125 bpm range i need for my setup ... ;-) I hope i will find a ways to shift and wrap around the pitches and velocities of the whole pattern independently. I had a really simple solution in mind but it does not work yet. IP: Logged | |
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ChristianSchloesser Member |
posted 01 July 2012 13:32
Hi Pete, When i load your version of the sound created with the older version of kyma ... all the nice patterns are gone :-( Anyway my strange way of triggering allows you to "Delay the Keydowns!" into the upcoming "slot". If you shift the (!Keydown ramp: 5 ms) into another range to use the "Trigger becomes greater than zero" condition. By useing for example 1/2 of a step you should get what you need I think... All the best ps: also the "alignWith:" message could be helpful to record into the correct "slot" [This message has been edited by ChristianSchloesser (edited 01 July 2012).] IP: Logged | |
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ChristianSchloesser Member |
posted 01 July 2012 15:39
YES! I' v figured it out...without a buffer! Kyma is so great! But the buffer idea is not so bad at all. It is all a bit different in Kyma but i ve got the feeling today that everything is possible somehow ... and if it works it works great! Now i have to implement all the missing parts of my complex version. All the best [This message has been edited by ChristianSchloesser (edited 01 July 2012).] IP: Logged | |
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ChristianSchloesser Member |
posted 03 July 2012 06:11
The Ideas of Pete are great and helped a lot! The Idea of recording into a "Slot" and the timing is essential! I am really happy about the "AllowLiveOverride" because it made possible to store patterns I managed to merge a AKAI MPC "record live" Pattern Sequencer into a Roland TR-X0X "chase light" Sequencer within Kyma only. The second array of "Buffer"s i talked about made it possible to copy through KYMA Preset.... and all that ... with just 9 to 10 % of DSP usage of one DSP! I am wondering how my old drum sequencer will work with the new Kyma version... anyway .... this never happened for me in MAX/MSP, Reaktor or even Supercollider before and i am not so bad...especially in the last one ;-) There are a some detours in Kyma...but it all works great! CapyTalk is not like I thought before ... but it is amazingly tight ! Now i will go for the Polyphonic parts... Thank you all P.S: I would real like a SYSEX receiving MIDI or Byte wise Input like InputMidiStreamInputToGlobalController! [This message has been edited by ChristianSchloesser (edited 03 July 2012).] IP: Logged | |
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ChristianSchloesser Member |
posted 03 July 2012 08:14
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChristianSchloesser: [B]The Ideas of Pete are great and helped a lot! The Idea of recording into a "Slot" and the timing is essential! I am really happy about the "AllowLiveOverride" because it made possible to store patterns I managed to merge a AKAI MPC "record live" Pattern Sequencer into a Roland TR-X0X "chase light" Sequencer within Kyma only. The second array of "Buffer"s i talked about made it possible to copy through KYMA Preset.... and all that ... with just 9 to 10 % of DSP usage of one DSP! I am wondering how my old drum sequencer will work with the new Kyma version... anyway .... this never happened for me in MAX/MSP, Reaktor or even Supercollider before and i am not so bad...especially in the last one ;-) There are a some detours in Kyma...but it all works great! CapyTalk is not like I thought before ... but it is amazingly tight ! Now i will go for the Polyphonic parts... Thank you all P.S: I would real like a SYSEX receiving MIDI or Byte wise Input like InputMidiStreamInputToGlobalController! I hope that i will have the opportunity to show you all what i am doing with all this stuff... lots of blink lights on a Novation Launchpad(TR STyle) and a padKontrol(MPC like)... first live use will be in 2 weeks ... [This message has been edited by ChristianSchloesser (edited 03 July 2012).] IP: Logged | |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 04 July 2012 16:23
quote: What is it that you want to send as a SYSEX? Could you send the information as a MIDI continuous controller? You could put the Controller name as the Value of a SoundToGlobalController then.
quote: Yes please! We are eager to see some blinking lights! IP: Logged | |
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ChristianSchloesser Member |
posted 04 July 2012 17:54
Actually i would like to receive a sysex message from MIDI, analyze it and then replace the incomeing bytes into a Kyma !HotValue. That would allow Kyma to be controlled via sysex. Sending out a !HotValue within a sysex maessage is already working with Kyma! But you have to generate the message by hand. The old Peavey 1600, Kenton Kontrol Freak or the BCR 2000 have both a kind of "learn" function which works this way. In my example this would make it possible to use Kyma with the Korg PadKontrol in so called "Native Mode"and Edit/Save sounds of external MIDI Equipment within Kyma Presets. I ll try to capture a nice video of my controller setup from one of the next studio sessions or one of our upcoming live performances. Have a nice day IP: Logged |
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