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audioman Member |
posted 14 January 2009 16:53
 
pacarana sounds incredible, can't wait to start using it. Any way to choose the digidesign hardware (192 interface for example) as the IO . Im sure lots of people working with kyma in post production will be hoping to use in in conjunction with pro tools hardware. Thanks IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 14 January 2009 20:45
Thanks! The audio output from the Pacarana goes directly to its own dedicated converter rather than going through Mac or PC to a shared converter. Here's a list of the devices that we know are working. If you do not see your favorite converter on this list (for example the Digi 192), please let us know;. We can't promise that it will be possible for every converter to work with the Paca(rana), but we are continuing to test and will add support if it's possible. Thanks! FireWire Audio & MIDI FireWire Audio-Only USB Audio & MIDI USB Headsets (Audio IO only) USB MIDI [This message has been edited by SSC (edited 14 January 2009).] IP: Logged |
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Denis Goekdag Member |
posted 15 January 2009 01:28
couple of FW interfaces seeing a lot of use around here: rme fireface 400/800 IP: Logged |
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audioman Member |
posted 15 January 2009 09:56
digidesign 192 would definitely be my interface of choice as we as a handful of friends working with similar setups. Lots of sound designers using kyma at a major audio post facility or film studio will be using it in conjunction with 192's IP: Logged |
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BharathV Member |
posted 15 January 2009 19:14
Hi, I am using M-Audio Fast Track Pro with Paca and 192 I/O streaming audio over SPDIF. It seems to be working okay, but I am actually surprised that it is, as I am unable to select proper clock source for Fast Track Pro from Kyma. +1 request for RME Fireface 800 and M-Audio Profire Lightbridge or Profire2626. :: Bharath IP: Logged |
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audioman Member |
posted 15 January 2009 21:48
so are you saying you sucessfully use the 192 with the pacarana ? IP: Logged |
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franz Member |
posted 16 January 2009 03:29
Does anybody know, if it is possible to activate the phantom power of the Apogee Duet (as this has to be done via software) when using it with the pacarana? IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 16 January 2009 08:44
Yes, you can. Unlike all of the other converters that can be used with the Paca(rana), you *can* leave the control and driver software for the Duet installed on your Macintosh and you can use the Duet control panel to adjust the settings even when it is in use with the Paca(rana). (The other converters' drivers cannot be left installed on your Mac or PC because they demand exclusive access to the converter for the computer.) IP: Logged |
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rlainhart Member |
posted 16 January 2009 08:58
Bummer - I use MOTU interfaces exclusively, and have 4 for different purposes, all of which use the same driver. That driver is installed on all my systems. So to use a MOTU interface with the Paca, I'd have to uninstall the MOTU driver on whatever machine I'm using at the time, then reinstall it afterwards, every time. That means that I'm pretty much obligated to buy and use a different interface. I understand that it's not Symbolic's fault, but it's still disappointing. IP: Logged |
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audioman Member |
posted 16 January 2009 09:05
So... I think I know the answer, but just to be sure..... IF the digidesign 192 were to become compatible with the pacarana, would that mean I could no longer use the digidesign core audio drivers (to monitor system output thru the 192) ? IP: Logged |
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BharathV Member |
posted 16 January 2009 11:49
I am using Paca with M-Audio Fast Track Pro, which in turn is connected over SPDIF to 192 I/O, for streaming in and out of Pro Tools. IP: Logged |
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Denis Goekdag Member |
posted 16 January 2009 12:00
i don't see any feasible way of connecting a digi 192 to the paca. as far as i understand, the audio interface needs to be connected to the paca, not the host computer. hence, there is no way to connect the digi 192 to the paca, as it uses digi proprietary connectors, not FW or USB (nor ethernet, for that matter). IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 16 January 2009 13:19
We are still looking for a way to tell the Macintosh not to claim *all* of the FireWire converters it finds on the bus. In other words, a way to have specific converters left alone by the Mac so the Pacarana can claim it. Once we figure that out, then it won't be necessary to uninstall the drivers on the Macintosh. (On the PC, it is easy to disable/enable drivers for specific devices.) IP: Logged |
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Petri_Alanko Member |
posted 24 January 2009 10:06
I also second the RME Fireface 400/800. By the way, does anyone have any idea whether TC Konnekt Live is a firewire bus-powered device or not? I tested one 30 minutes ago and it didn't do a thing, neither on the Paca nor my Mac. Also, there are quite a few USB-ready synths that are capable of transmitting audio to and forth, such as Roland V-Synth GT etc., would that be of any use in the future, concerning occasional live usage (and convenience, who needs an audio interface with a power adapter)? I, however, don't have any idea whatsoever about USB or 1394 compliance, so please don't shoot the pianist. (Anybody supporting the idea of an AU/VST/RTAS paca/pacarana audio stream plugin, by the way?) IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 24 January 2009 16:14
The TC Konnekt Live is bus-powered. However, in our experience, the bus-powering seemed to work better on some computers than others. Safest bet is to use its adapter power (unless it's working find on your system through bus power). IP: Logged |
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Petri_Alanko Member |
posted 27 January 2009 08:09
quote: Sorry, I'm struggling with audio interface problems: TC Konnekt Live doesn't let out anything from its S/PDIF or ADAT, no matter what boxes I tick in the Configure Output menu - I also have a Fast Track Pro USB audio interface, but Paca doesn't see it at all. How did you not only manage to get S/PDIF out of it but have it installed as well? There are days when just about everything goes kaboom. This has been one of those. Again. EDIT: Un-boom. I selected Re-scan from the DSP Status -> Control and Fast Track Pro works now. Konnekt Live still won't output anything from its S/PDIF or ADAT. Any suggestions? [This message has been edited by Petri_Alanko (edited 27 January 2009).] IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 27 January 2009 08:52
quote: In TC Near, you can select between whether you want all ADAT or a mix of coax and optical S/PDIF. (You can either install the drivers and run Near on a separate computer or laptop, or you can install it, run Near to do the configuration, and then uninstall it so your host computer doesn't claim the Konnekt Live). IP: Logged |
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Petri_Alanko Member |
posted 27 January 2009 12:35
quote: In TC Near, you can select between whether you want all ADAT or a mix of coax and optical S/PDIF. (You can either install the drivers and run Near on a separate computer or laptop, or you can install it, run Near to do the configuration, and then uninstall it so your host computer doesn't claim the Konnekt Live).[/QUOTE] Hmm, tried the whole install-assign-deinstall procedure twice with necessary restarts and no matter what I do, nothing helps. :-/ S/PDIF should be okay in the Konnekt as my main interface indicates it's receiving coax S/PDIF fine. Does anyone have a suitable screenshot of his/her Konnekt Live settings? It must be something very obvious I haven't noticed, but I just cannot see what it might be. Of course, Konnekt Live could be broken, no matter what the other interface says. IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 27 January 2009 15:29
Hi Petri, Do you have the most recent version of Kyma? (Now available for download from the tweaky). There was a fairly recent update correcting a limitation in the routing to channel numbers above 8, and the adat channels of the TC are indeed located above channel 8. Please get the newest version and then use the Configure menu in the DSP Status window to associate Konnekt outputs to Kyma outputs. Thanks! IP: Logged |
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audioman Member |
posted 27 January 2009 18:01
sorry to veer off topic again, but any suggestions on the simplest way to stream audio into my DAW (pro tools) from pacarana. Im assuming I need to have a firewire 800 connection to my mac pro from paca . then a firewire connection to one of the supported audio devices as well. Then im assuming the outputs of that supported audio device should go into the inputs of my main (digidesign 192) box .... IS this correct? I just want the simplest way.. Thanks Also someone else asked here.. any future development into having kyma work as a vst/au/rtas plugin while still using its hardware (kinda like uad)? IP: Logged |
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Petri_Alanko Member |
posted 28 January 2009 02:13
quote: Thanks a lot, that did the trick! I should've noticed there was a newer version available. -Petri IP: Logged |
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theambertheatre Member |
posted 28 January 2009 11:15
+1 on the AU/ VST UAD type integration IP: Logged |
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cristian_vogel Member |
posted 28 January 2009 13:48
what are those channel numbers on the TC Konnekt for the ADAT channels? will the TC Konnekt live use its mix settings ( the Fabrik-R and -C ) when it is connected to the Paca(rana) ? or does the paca bypass these? they are useful on the outputs , especially when I am performing live. IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 30 January 2009 08:58
quote: In the routing screenshot, any Kyma output can be routed to any Konnekt output. The channel numbers are Kyma's virtual output channels.
quote: You can pre-configure the mix settings and route Kyma channels to Fabrik channels. However the mix levels cannot be adjusted in software (some of the Konnekts have hardware controls on the mix and effects levels) More details on the Konnekt here: http://www.symbolicsound.com/Learn/KonnektSetUp IP: Logged |
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garth paine Member |
posted 31 January 2009 02:59
Is it possible to use a composite device - for instance an MOTU 8Pre and an Microlite3 as inputs and outputs so I can have a large number of microphone inputs for an ensemble piece, but also use their outputs? Thanks, Garth IP: Logged |
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HectorBenard Member |
posted 31 January 2009 09:14
The MOTU UltraLite doesn't have ADAT, but I suppose it should be possible to connect the MOTU 8Pre's ADAT out to the TC Konnekt, and route its inputs to the Pacarana that way. Is this correct? Can Kyma still handle only 8 I/O's for now? And if so, are there plans to add more I/O's in the near future with the use of multiple interfaces connected together, or through the ADAT out of the Konnekt for example? I would also love to see support for the RME Fireface 800 in the near future. Not only is this one of the best and most reliable audio interfaces out there, but it also has the advantage of being firewire 800. Cheers, H IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 31 January 2009 19:13
For now, Kyma can stream 8 inputs and 8 outputs. The plan is to increase this number in the future. RME and Metric Halo have great reputations and their converters qualities are due in part to proprietary algorithms or protocols. However, converters that utilize proprietary protocols are more difficult (if not impossible) for us to support than are converters that follow published protocol standards such as AV/C. This is in no way meant to detract from MH and RME converters which are extremely popular among Kyma users and have an excellent reputation for sound quality and reliability. It is just less likely that we will be able to support them. IP: Logged |
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parmenidis Member |
posted 15 February 2009 07:47
Hi I would like to suggest the Weiss AFI1 firewire to AES/ADAT interface to become compatible with the Paca(rana) After testing most pci or firewire to AES interfaces in our mastering studio, we found that the Weiss is the only 100% accurate one. Also I would like to add my vote for the Prism Orpheus. IP: Logged |
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cristian_vogel Member |
posted 16 February 2009 03:50
Nice unit, but the Weiss AFI doesn't do any DA converting, which most of us need to actually listen to the Paca. I don't know if I suggested it here or somewhere else, but I think those cheap portable USB convertors are good to support - for on the road, hotel rooms, on location ... Like the Zoom H4 and H2 ( they have mics built in! ) as well as the high end stuff. IP: Logged |
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parmenidis Member |
posted 17 February 2009 04:04
The paca(rana) needs to have quality solutions for multichannel AES I/O and AD/DA like Capybara has. For such an expensive and high quality processor it seems right to me to have the flexibility to choose among budget and high quality I/O. At the moment this is paca(rana)'s weak point. IP: Logged |
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martin1981 Member |
posted 17 February 2009 06:31
This is interesting, I was seriously considering the Weiss AFI1 as my interface for Pacarana, because the AES/EBU I/Os would be perfect to interface with a Digidesign 192 I/O. Symbolic Sound said they WOULD be able to add support for the Weiss AFI1, and offered to add support if I were to purchase one and send it to them, then they'd add support and ship it to me with my Pacarana. However in the end I decided I would need an interface which I could use for live as well... I could use the AFI1/Pacarana live but only if I brought the Pro Tools rig as well!! Not quite portable... In an ideal world I would have an AFI1 for the studio and the TC Studio Konnekt 48 for live (to provide the analog I/Os and preamps for a portable live setup). But that would be very expensive... I was also looking at the Digital Konnekt x32, and assumed as it was digital I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and the AFI1. So I e-mailed Weiss, who said I probably would not hear a difference: "As far as I know the TC Electronic Digital Konnekt x32 uses the same Firewire chip as we do and thus the AFI1 should be compatible as well. The latency also should be the same as with the TC unit" "Actually yes, I doubt that you would hear a difference. Although maybe there is a difference because the AES/EBU I/Os are made differently and thus RF content and jitter may be different. We use very high speed AES/EBU transformers"
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martin1981 Member |
posted 17 February 2009 07:54
The other thing that makes it awkward, for me at least (and presumably other Pro Tools users), is the Studio Konnekt 48 has an ADAT digital, but the Digidesign 192 I/O was made before the S-Mux standard was introduced. So you can't have half the number of ADAT channels at 96khz, you are limited to 48Khz. It's not too bad, as I normally work at 24/48 anyway. However if I want to work at 96Khz with the Pacarana I would have to use the analog I/Os of both the Studio Konnekt at the Digidesign 192 I/O, thus going through 2 extra stages of D/A A/D conversion. Maybe it'll sound better just to use the digital I/Os at 24/48? I'll do some comparison tests once I receive my Pacarana. AES/EBU I/Os wouuld be ideal... In general do people usually run Kyma at 96Khz? Is this advisable over 48? [This message has been edited by martin1981 (edited 17 February 2009).] IP: Logged |
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SeanFlannery Member |
posted 18 February 2009 04:01
For synthesis, as opposed to spectral work or sample playback, my Capy sounds sensational at 96khz. Much, much less aliasing in short. I wish I could work at 96k all the time. IP: Logged |
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pete Member |
posted 18 February 2009 16:17
Hi I tried 96K and thought I could hear a quit an improvement. I then got someone else to switch between 96K and 48K as a blind test and I couldn't tell which was which. I think I was just conning myself. Hence I always work at 48K, or 44K if it's going to end up on CD. IP: Logged |
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armand Member |
posted 22 February 2009 08:40
First I don't have a Pacarana yet, but when I looked for the new Continuum Fingerboard I see it now also has audio I/O! So is it possible to use that with the Pacarara? And there's an DSP on the Continuum, Paca DNA maybe? or better could you use the Continuum DSP with Kyma? IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 22 February 2009 12:51
Hi Armand, I thought about that too, but there wouldn't be a way to get the FireWire or USB audio signal into the Continuum. I think the Continuum has a S/PDIF input (but a converter is required to get from FireWire or USB to S/PDIF). Another way to combine the audio streams of the Continuum and Pacarana would be to take the S/PDIF or headphone output of the Continuum and connect it to the S/PDIF or audio input(s) on the Pacarana's converter. IP: Logged |
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cristian_vogel Member |
posted 23 February 2009 11:38
I've been using the x32 , it sounds really good... but only has 2 analog monitor outs for DA IP: Logged |
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martin1981 Member |
posted 24 February 2009 08:31
Are you running it at 96Khz? Don't suppose you've had a chance to compared it to the Studio Konnekt 48? I wonder if it sounds much different to the Konnekt 48 running at 24/48 via the ADAT I/O, because that's what I'm gonna be using...
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robertjarvis Member |
posted 11 March 2009 06:00
Is it possible to daisy-chain two separate Studio Konnekt Live audio interfaces (http://www.tcelectronic.com/konnektlive.asp) in order to double the number of possible inputs and outputs to a pacarana? IP: Logged |
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SSC Administrator |
posted 11 March 2009 08:57
Interesting idea... We will look into whether we can add support for that. (It would not work right now though). IP: Logged |
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